Birth by Sleep Hmmm...-Spoilers-

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  1. Nubrian Destiny Islands Resident

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    ive been wondering this for a while... tetsuya nomura has stated that xehanort will come back for a final battle... but with his heartless defeated and his nobody defeated is his true form gonna come back or something?? cuz to make the heartless and nobody obviously he had to have lost his heart. also how aqua wants sora to save ven and terra.. im also wondering how this is gonna happen cuz she left ven in C.O. and then when sora visits such place he is not there so another question is where did his body go unless it disapeared like master eraqus' did when he was killed
     
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  2. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    For the Xehanort thing, Nomura stated somewhere (I think it was Another Report) that if a Heartless is defeated first and then its Nobody counterpart is defeated that the original person will come back. He also confirmed in another interview that this was the case and Xehanort will return as a whole (I'm pretty sure he said "whole" but don't quote me on that bit. Xehanort might be something else)
    But if he's coming back as Master Xehanort or Xehanort the apprentice
    as in with Terra's body
    , or something different, we don't know for sure.

    Ven's body is in a different floor from where Sora was. I'm not entirely sure on what floor as I've yet to play BBS and Coded, but I doubt Sora would have found the room by accident simply by going through the castle when Xemnas couldn't find it despite searching for it.
     
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  3. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    For Xehanort coming back I don't know HOW that would play out but i'd love to see
    some action involving Terra and MX struggling for control of the body (yet AGAIN but with a final result like Terra taking full control again -crosses fingers-). It'd also be interesting to see how Sora would react to seeing two people in one body that's been a Heartless AND a Nobody.

    As for Ven's body. Even Org. XIII couldn't find it. Who's to say that there aren't secret floors and passages that Xemnas didn't even know about? He may be in a deeper basement or a higher floor or maybe somewhere else entirely. Only time will tell if he's finally revealed.
     
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  4. lexamus Twilight Town Denizen

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    In BBS, Eraqus said that if Aqua locked up the Land of Departure, only she would be able to open the Room of Waking in Castle Oblivion, all other unwelcome visitors would be "lost to oblivion". So in order to find Ven's body, they need to find Aqua too because she has Master Eraqus' keyblade (which is needed to find the room of waking).

    As for Xehanort, I'm uncertain, hopefully he will return to his Terranort form BUT seeing how old Xemnas is...Terranort willl probably be much older than the one fought in BBS.
     
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  5. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    Given the nature of Xehanort's Heartless, it seems that one of two things has happened: (1) What remained of Terra's heart has escaped from Xehanort's grip, or (2) Xehanort has crushed all resistance and claimed the gestalt heart for himself. Either way, it seems possible--nay, likely--that Seekernort and Xemnas will combine to form the original, elderly Xehanort. What will become of Terra, I haven't the faintest.

    As for Ventus: Like Lexamus said, only Aqua can find him. And Aqua shouldn't be too difficult to find; Sora simply needs to learn to pass through the Door to Darkness. If you've watched the secret ending of BbS, Master Yen Sid is going to devise a Mark of Mastery exam for Sora and Riku (and possibly Kairi, though it's unlikely). Something tells me he'll be addressing at this time the matter of how to reach Aqua. Hell, Ansem the Wise knows how to get around, maybe he'll retrieve her or help the others do so. Either way, they should have no problem finding Aqua, and she will have no problem finding Ventus. Concerning the form he will take after having left his heart in Sora's care, I can only guess. Perhaps they'll fuse. Who knows.
     
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  6. Luxord93 Twilight Town Denizen

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    Well heres a good answer Re: coded secret ending... Technically I didn't go into specifics so no spoiling I hope.
     
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  7. Top-Tier Roxas. Destiny Islands Resident

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    I agree with you there, but, I believe that it will be
    Xehanort's heart in full control of Terra's body, and not the old-bodied Xehanort, due to it being Terra's being that created the Heartless and Nobody that were destroyed, and the fact that Spock Leonard Nemoy is now retired and we are left with no one to do the voice of Baldinort.
     
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  8. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    I've seen the secret ending and i've yet to hear anything about Master Yen Sid and another Mark Of Mastery exam. As for Ven and Sora who knows what'll happen. I'm thinking one of two options here.
    1)Sora and Ven fuse.
    2)Ven gets his heart back and he and Aqua go off looking for Terra (who'll be God knows where)...
     
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    Re: Coded secret ending mentions Yen Sid wanting Sora brought to him for a Mark of Mastery exam. I'm really hoping Sora and Ven don't fuse. It'd be rather stupid since we already saw this once before(with Roxas though). I'm tired of watching characters disappear or fuse with other people. B|
    What if Terra is the Mysterious Figure? >> Or some form of him? Then again, the Mysterious Figure could easily(and more likely) be Young Xehanort. Nomura has a way of making things work out. Logically, the Mysterious Figure should be the Somebody of Xemnas or a form of Xehanort. How it'll work out? Nomura has the answers of course. D8
     
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  10. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    Personally I think that MF may just be MX's nobody. I mean think about it for a second. MX released his heart (just like Sora) and merged with Terra (like Sora's heart did with Kairi). And in Sora's case Roxas was made, so who's to say that MF isn't the mobody of MX? After all he DID have an incredibly strong will. The only thing stopping me from saying that this is the truth is MF's ethereal blades, but I think this is the most logical thing we as fans of KH can come up with.
     
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    I've actually stated this in the Mysterious Figure thread. It does make sense as well. Terra also has three possible hearts in his body as well as the collective consciousness of Master Xehanort. Master Eraqus did something to Terra, he put his light in him, maybe stuck his heart inside Terra's, fused souls, or something. Some part of Eraqus lives on in Terra in one way or another and could very well be inside the Mysterious Figure. Maybe the Mysterious Figure looks like a mix of Terra and Eraqus. TERRAQUS. Or not. We don't know the full extent of what Eraqus did to Terra, only that it was crafty and gave Terra some kind of secret weapon in fighting the darkness. Still, if the Mysterious Figure is a Nobody it would be rather lame unless it has to deal with what I just said. There has to be some kind of explanation as to why Xemnas couldn't use a Keyblade and the Mysterious Figure might be that answer if he's Xemnas's somebody(a form of Xehanort/Terranort).
     
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  12. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    So does that mean that Xemnas is not Xehanort's Nobody but the nobody of MF? That doesn't make much sense unless somehow MF came from both MX's body and Terra's lost heart... I still say he's Xehanort's Nobody though this new possibility is still interesting to say the least.
     
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  13. Arch Mana Knight

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    Whoever said that the Mysterios Figure can't be "Terranort"? Remember when everybody thought Terra truly was the Xehanort that we saw in KH2? Yet Master Xehanort, an old man who looked almost nothing like him, was the one who owned that name. Nomura fixed the story so that it would all make sense. Master Xehanort kept his name(albiet the "new" Xehanort seems to have some memory loss) and became the man we all had known about from the first two games of the series. The story could be made to fit the Mysterious Figure's place in all of this. Like I said, why doesn't Xemnas use a Keyblade? He's obviously the nobody of "Terranort". Mysterious Figure ftw? 8D8 Unless it really is just a plot hole and Nomura is just screwing with us. But then the similarity in weapons would only be a second plot hole. ><
     
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    This isn't a spoiler but I want to use spoiler tags, too ; ;

    Anyways, isn't that similar to what happened with Namine? Born from Kairi's heart and Sora's body? Then again, Sora's body went to Roxas so Namine may have just crafted a body from nothing
     
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  15. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    I know. Spoiler tags are so fun right?
    Anyway you've got it backwards. She came from Sora's heart (hence all the memory issues of CoM) and Kairi's body. She just never lost her form whereas Sora did... it's interesting to think about all of this... man I think it IS just Nomura screwing us over with plotholes...
     
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  16. lexamus Twilight Town Denizen

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    Actually, I think the reason Xemnas can't use the keyblade is simply because his past self aka Xehanort Ansem's apprentice didn't know or remember how to use the keyblade (with the whole memory lose and all) and if you can't remember something, you can't really use it.
     
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    If one had to be told that they had the keyblade, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't be using them. I dunno if I remember correctly but Sora drew his keyblade by instinct(obviously he had to be chosen by it otherwise he'd be screwed XD ). Still, that is a good point. The thing is, we don't know how much he and even Xemnas remembered of his past. What if the keyblade simply left him? Eh...so many possibilities but maybe you're right. He might've simply forgotten. XD
     
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  18. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    Okay, this explains a lot. That video must've been mislabeled. I was wondering why anything I mentioned from that particular secret movie was apparently a figment of my imagination D8 Yes, the Re:Coded secret ending mentions Xehanort's partner and Sora/Riku's Mark of Mastery exam, got it.

    I'm pretty sure the Keyblade has not up and left a person yet in the series. Unless you count Riku losing his to Sora, but I suspect that had something to do with it being a light Keyblade and him...well, not being a very light-ful person at the time. Once Sora's heart was strong enough to claim it, it went to the worthier user. Plus, neither of them really knew how the Keyblade worked; Seekernort was able to wield a Keyblade with Riku's body, so obviously he was still a wielder. Maybe he just thought there was only one Keyblade, and if he lost it then he lost the power to use it. Sora certainly thought so when Riku stole it from him.

    The most sensible way to think of it is that one must be taught not only to wield the Keyblade, but to conjure one's own, and without this training it's easy to think you've just lost the power if it gets taken. Notice the BbS trio never experiences a loss of their Keyblades, and they all have their own special ones. Proper instruction under a Master probably includes training one to create one's own Keyblade(s), kind of like the rite of passage where a Jedi forges his own personal lightsaber.

    Think about this. It is not uncommon in fiction for a person to have a certain power, not know of it, but suddenly gain its use through one instinctual activation. Since losing his memory and entering Ansem's tutelage, Xehanort hadn't had any real reason to need a Keyblade since his life was not in danger; the be-all end-all of the fight-or-flight response is probably the only force strong enough to remind one of things like that. I'm positive we can count on whatever comes from Seekernort and Xemnas having use of the Keyblade, though; something tells me our little amnesiac is about to make a swift recovery.
     
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  19. monstro567 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Actually he was refering to Re: Coded's ending, he must have had a typo.
     
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  20. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    Then what about the final fight of KH2? Xehanort's life was in danger then. Maybe the power just left him altogether but if it didn't then this is something that would have to be expained. Seeing as how he tried to shield himself from Sora's attack with the Keyblade (the beam of light) his Keyblade should've showed itself at that moment.
     
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