God vs. Satan

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  1. Juicy Chaser

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    Hahaha o god you must realise the amount of crap you're talking.

    These are NUMBERS. You know, 123? Seriously, God was around before we even had a calender ._.

    And how is the unlucky number in the east 4? ._.
     
  2. Cyanide King's Apprentice

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    The characters for "four" and "death" are pronounced the same in Japan.
     
  3. Juicy Chaser

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    Okay, still only one country. D:
     
  4. Cyanide King's Apprentice

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    Well, no, it appears I was mistaken. I did some research and apparently it's a homonym for death in China and Korea as well.
     
  5. Juicy Chaser

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    Nyaaah, I still think its stupid, specially as the majority of people in those countries arent Christians either.
     
  6. Cyanide King's Apprentice

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    I agree, I don't believe in anything Mythril Roxas is saying at all, I was just clarifying why it was considered an unlucky number in the east.
     
  7. Dr. Mythril Roxas Merlin's Housekeeper

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    How is it "stupid"? explain, otherwise your poor choice of vocabulary makes your side of the argument sound ignorant and closed-minded.
     
  8. Juicy Chaser

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    Read what I said on the page before.
     
  9. Dr. Mythril Roxas Merlin's Housekeeper

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    So presumably you are at least a deist if not subscribed to a religion? Good.
    But why do you think its crap? Do you know how much of religion is based on numbers? I guess not.......
    12 disciples
    God created the world in 7 days.
    Jesus rose from the dead the 3rd day.
    Triune god means 3 in 1.
    Jesus said 7 things before he died.
    Adam had 3 sons.
    Noah had 3 sons.
    Isaac had 12 sons.
    Jesus earthly ministry went on for 3 years.
    3 messengers appeared to Abraham.
    7 seals the Lamb opened in Revelations.
    7 angels with the 7 trumpets given to them from God.
    7 bowls of the wrath of God.
    And of course theres the 144,000.
    Numberz r everywhere.....
     
  10. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    Because they are a human invention. Simple counting. There is also the fact that if someone were, say, writing what they wanted to be a popular piece (factual or not) they would use so-called "significant" numbers. Multiples of three and twelve (mostly time) are very common because they are what people know.

    Using numbers in that way is the same as saying "Oh look they used words to write the Bible". It tends to be the done thing.
     
  11. Juicy Chaser

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    How on earth is any of that significant? Its just counting ._.
    And Im aethiest.
     
  12. Snow Princess King's Apprentice

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    okay, im Mormon and i love my church even though i do everything against what the church thinks because i dont think they are wrong, just individual choices (the LDS church says no smoking, drinking, piercings, or sex before marriage and I do all that, but its a choice, right?) sorry, my point is that numbers do have a lot to do with religion, but they are not the basis of much but parts of the belief system. :)
     
  13. Blademaster Mai'kel Hollow Bastion Committee

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    If you have nothing meaningful to post, then don't post at all. Please.
     
  14. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    That's all after the fact. God did nothing about Satan so he could send his only son to try and do it for him, only to be killed to save humanity? I'm sure God, being all powerful would've been able to do something about this to begin with.

    You're trying to rationalize why a seemingly all-powerful being couldn't eliminate something that could be easily removed because he's imperfect. either that or you're calling God lazy. Either way that implies that God is capable of flaw and thus his power over Satan can easily be debated.
     
  15. Dr. Mythril Roxas Merlin's Housekeeper

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    You look at it as simply counting, but that means your closed-minded and aren't thinking of the possibility of it being something more. Why 3? Why not 6? or 4? or 10000000000000000000? There is a significance. Numbers are infinent. You have a "variety of options". 3 is significant.

    Counting? Hmph, shows what you know "Ms. Scarlet".

    thanks for agreeing, and I know, I'm not saying all religoin is based off of numbers. I'm merely trying to point out their mager significance.
     
  16. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    I don't see a single shred of evidence or research to back up your side of this debate in terms of this "numbers" theory.

    You do realise that the Aztec religion based a lot of their mythology upon the number 10 and it's multiples? Numbers are numbers. We made them up, and yes there are an infinite number of them. How does that make anything different?

    I also can't see how this makes me close-minded. I would also like to know what it is you know that makes you right in this case.
     
  17. Styx That's me inside your head.

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    And I'm sure you can enlighten us on their exact meaning. :)
    Also, what makes you any more open-minded if you're not open to the possibility that they don't mean anything at all?
     
  18. Dr. Mythril Roxas Merlin's Housekeeper

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    obviously you are a lazy athiest because you dont even know anything about religion. Why do I have to explain myself to a lazy ass who knows nothing? To teach you something? But your as stubborn as they come? Even if you learned something, you'd find a way to try and make yourself seem right in your head, but your wrong.

    I've thought of it, but I've "done the homework". I'm not saying I know everything, and I'm open minded to the possibility that I'm wrong, but I need the proof. If someone can proove me wrong, I will surely listen.

    As for "enlightening you", I can't. True Enlightenment comes from within.
     
  19. Cyanide King's Apprentice

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    When you make a claim in a discussion/debate, you back it up. Is that hard to understand? I don't see how you refusing to explain yourself makes Burn lazy, and your namecalling doesn't make you look any better. If your explanations have any value, I think he'll consider them.
     
  20. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    You haven't tried to teach me anything. You are the lazy one if you are going to claim that people are ignorant and when they ask for information so that they can make a more informed judgement and you call them lazy. That is about as hypocritical as they come.

    That is part of debating you know, making your point and backing it up with evidence. In a discussion you may just make a point, but a debate requires substance with the point. Perhaps you should try perfecting your technique? :)

    Also, I will see myself as right until someone provides evidence to the contrary. You have done no such thing.

    We also need the proof behind your statements before we can even begin to consider them. The burden of proof is on you to prove your theory, not on us to disprove it.

    On an unrelated note, good spelling and grammar go a long way in improving people's perception of you ;) (Here's a little hint, Atheist is spelt like this)
     
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