God vs. Satan

Who are we to say that this hasn't already happened, and that our limited senses as mortal beings just didn't let us realize it? Or it could be written in metaphors, as much of the rest of the bible is.

 

thank you.

oops, to edit haha.

In the left Corner we Have the ever dark Satan, Tempter of man, blah blah blah *background: boo satan* and in the Right corner we got Father, or God as you guys call him....looks like he's prepared with some protection eh? (he has all sorts of stuff)

AND ROUND ONE: *lots of brain fighting, in which Satan can't beat* ROUND ONE GOES TO GOD.
ROUND TWO: *tempting man to worship idols, Satan grabs many lawers and Obama* ROUND TWO GOES TO GOD.


ok, you guys get it, this goes to God. God WILL Beat Satan's evil backside and then some. Satan's lost before he could start. BUT! God is a merciful God, so he won't neccisarilly physically harm him, just tie him up for a long time.

if you knew somebody was going to kill you, would you stop him?
if God got rid of satan, then there'd be no point in the ressurection. satan tempted those Bas**rds into killing Christ. We all have something called free agency, given to us by God so that we can return to him. he gave us the power to choose what we want to do without interference.

Satan's purpose is to tempt.

again, screw you. effin pagan with a bad I.Q.

w00t!

screw you effin pagan.

Sir, you were doing goodup till this one ^^^^

 

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Im not pagen, im atheist.

 

@Sorcerer_Jenkins - Calling someone an "effing pagan" is not how you debate a topic. It is the way you make enemies and damage your cause. Drop it. Now.

Also, you linked Satan to Obama. Why is this? Are you racist too?

Jesus was not killed by the Jews, he was not even killed by the Romans. God killed Jesus, which means he killed himself. Is suicide not a sin?

The god of the old testament is most certainly vengeful. Not only that but bloodthirsty and violent too. He of course changes completely between Testaments which was never explained to me. I just see it as another of the numerous contradictions and discrepancies of the bible.

 

The reason I don't believe in god is because he comits sins and thats where the bible begins to fall apart.

The reason I don't believe in the devil is that because I don't believe in god. If he ruled hell then there would be two gods and we can't have that.

The bible makes no sense to me at all.

 

have you even read the bible? the Jews gave Christ to the Romans to kill, and Christ and God are two different ppl!

and have you read the bible???? where did he sin??? Satan doesnt "rule" over Hell. He isn't a God, he's just....Satan...and i don't like Obama so there.

the bible only makes sense if you read it correctly.

 

What does Obama have to do with any of this?

EDIT: Any way this is how I see it:

 

I've attempted to leave this section alone for so long because I'm about the biggest disbeliever of all, due to the fact I've studied the Bible so extensively. However, since remarks slam others, I will go ahead and express my opinion on God and Satan and sinning, etc. This isn't to put down Christians or any of the monotheistic followers but it is, I'm sorry to say, going to point out what I feel about the actual religion itself.

Actually, there's this whole section in the Bible that is about why Jesus has to go do this deed of sacrificing himself and that he doesn't want to but then decides it is the will of the father and so he must.

God is an arrogant being that for one thing is named Yahweh. Because it is so arrogant and selfish for people to follow it, this god proclaims it will be identified AS God, stealing the very titles of every other god in existence. I do believe that's two sins in one there. Also, he forbids his followers to worship images of others but it is made clear he -knows- there are other gods.

He has killed and ordered his followers to murder others for having different beliefs. He has ordered that men and women be killed except for those women that could be taken as brides by the conquers. He has also killed the offspring of many people. i.e. He certainly killed a hell of a lot of Egyptian children that did absolutely nothing wrong.

Joseph and Mary were together and yet God decided to have a baby with Mary named Jesus. If he's so omnipotent, why didn't he just make a kid pop out somewhere instead of making a married woman give birth to his child? He coveted someone else's wife.

He is omnipotent and yet he happens to use humans to fight the majority of his battles for him to prove their loyalty. These humans are permitted therefore to do every imaginable trait of sin possible in the name of God to include rape, killing, stealing someone's wife, etc. He even challenges Job to kill his own son to prove his loyalty. It's cruel. It's also extremely lazy to make us mortals do what he wants in his name instead of getting off his arse and doing it himself. And we also sit here and wait for a rapture which doesn't seem much like one to me.

We are all born sinners due to him leaving out a tree with fruit on it that grants knowledge. Now if a parent left out some Drano and a kid drank that, who would we be going after? We'd be saying the parent was an idiot. With how mentally challenged Adam and Eve were, it's hardly fair to sit there and blame them and especially screw over women because Satan 'lured her' first. The tree was there and Satan was the bratty older brother saying to try the stuff because that Drano wasn't moving. She was being nice and SHARING and was condemned for it. Yet Satan, who encouraged her to eat it because she was 'innocent' was let to do whatever. Jesus is supposed to be a good thing for us but...he died for our sins..that we still have unless we swear loyalty to the god and his son. mhmm.

I could go on and on about the sins of God. He's defied nearly all of his own ten commandments. Why? Because he's a parent figure that says "Do what I say; not what I do". How many of us like hearing that? He can't even discipline his own wayward angel and has let demons come about etc. We live and die because he has a grudge. We are plagued by diseases etc because he's too lazy to undo things and our 'rapture' is a bunch of destruction so we can all live somewhere 'happy' because at that time he will finally be done being pissy with us and get off his high horse and go deal with Lucifer and kill everyone who does not believe because we are losers not going with his giant game.

Satan to me, therefore doesn't seem so bad. After all, according to the Bible he made us smarter and God can't get over the fact. Animals according to the Bible don't even have souls yet we people do. According to God we are nothing but corrupted sentient things that he modeled after himself and yet we somehow fell off the path. We're a naughty creation. Having a mega flood to purge the world of evil to include many animals, humans etc was not enough. Nothing will be enough.

So before calling people 'effin pagans' perhaps it would be nice Jenkins if you would read the Bible through each page and understand the layers of atrocities within instead of reading the happy parts or going by the lessons taught in church. Some of us here have read it through from page to page and found that this entity truly does represent humans despite his omnipotence and omniscience, and I do refer to our worst side. How can a deity -know- what is going to happen before it does and let people fail so hard when they are his children? How can he punish them so badly for it? It's like a parent saying 'I know my kid is going to steal clothing at a store...I'll wait till he's done and punish the hell out of him'. We'd today call that horrible parenting and the parent would be locked up for it. This is specifically why I cannot believe in God or Satan and I find the whole thing to be absolute rubbish. A good being would never do this to those who are his followers. He'd never make more suffering than good. Pontius Pilot had the right idea when he said he'd wash his hands of the crap and let people do whatever.

If there really is a god, I can only hope with all my heart that every single person out there has what it does wrong. Otherwise we are boned. I'll take my chances and go with science and hope that should we find out God exists, that he's simply been on hiatus and just created us and let us do things to our own devices since the moment after he gave us that spark of life with evolution. Otherwise I have no qualms with suffering eternally rather than agreeing to the atrocities this deity has spread to humankind, let alone the world. If the Christian/Judeo/Islam deity does exist, he owes us all a huge apology.

 

Which means we now have to follow a litteral interpetation created by fourth century scolars (my spelling is off today, sorry) who have edited the Bible to suit their needs of positional power? If God wanted me to read the Bible in a certain way, then he would've made it CLEAR that you are suppose to read it that way. And yet you insist on making us read it in THE EXACT WAY that makes ALL our arguments wrong.

This is why I you irk me so much, because you close your mind to any other interpetation or factual reasoning except the ones you find accurate, all the while ignoring the hyprocrisy and deaths the closemindedness of your narrow interpretation brought. That is the problem with Christianity, and why I do not support it. Not because I don't believe there is no God (though that is one reason), but because the actions of people who are/were Christans.

 

666 = man's number. 2/3= .66666666666667

are we the fallen angels? Or are we the angels left over?

 

There's this little something called the Trinity, which is a doctrine that speaks of the unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He is still one being. This is of course impossible and ridiculous but virtually all mainstream branches of Christianity believe it.
If the Bible makes sense if you read it correctly, then you obviously didn't.

I'm not dirtying my hands on this any more. There are already too many God threads imo and they all end in theists and atheists bitching back and forth anyway.

 

ooh oooh I have a better one!
Easter bunny vs santa!

 

Um, God=Jesus, and Jesus is simultaneously 2 different people. Maybe you should read the Bible too.
And the common interpretation of Christian lore is that Satan does in fact rule over Hell...or he's imprisoned in it, one of the two.

 

All numbers are "man's numbers" as it is a completely arbitrary system. Christianity isn't even sure if it is actually 666. It could quite easily be 616.

I also don't understand what 2/3=0.6666 recurring has to do with anything? It's a number. Deal with it.

 

Also, in Hebrew numerology, 666=Nero Caesar. Revelation wasn't about the future; it was about the present. John was writing a political commentary, not a prophecy, because to the early Church, the world was already ending.

 

666 is the symbol of the beast. There are many ways to interpret it but no man shall ever decipher it himself without assistance.

 

There is one giant hole in your logic. If no man can ever decipher the number of the beast, then how do you know that it is indeed 666? If I'm not mistaken, the Catholic Church itself has said that it may be wrong on there.

 

Fail. Read my above post.

 

No, in Revelations it says 666 is "man's" number. and your right, there is the whole thing about 616. and what does 6+1+6=? 13. What's the unlucky number in the West? 13. Whats the unlucky number in the East? 4. 1+3=4.
4 is the number of death and destruction in most astrological belief systems.
So I'm open-minded to the 616 theory very much.

as for the other part, heh, numbers are a hidden religion Bun.

 

A lot of the bible is interpreted as a metaphor. Perhaps the part of revelations you are referencing is as such.