god existing vs god not existing

Why did you post? Why did you even bother? Why do any of us even bother when people like you are going to come in here and completely ignore what everyone else has said. You gave no evidence, were not responding to anyone else's point and have added nothing to this debate.

You sicken me with your ignorance. There are religious people on this site who actually put effort into defending their beliefs. All you are doing is holding them back and doing our work for us.

 

Really? So what exactly are his works? What, exactly, exists in this universe that cannot be explained by the simple laws of physics? Hmm? The Earth just so happens to support our kind of life. If it were different, say, more gravity, or a different atmosphere, it might support a different kind of life. And then that life would make up stories about how "God" designed their universe specifically for them. I am quite sure that, in a universe of 200 million (billion? O.o) galaxies, each with hundreds of millions of stars, I am quite certain that we are not alone, and any life we find will not be anything like us. Yet, is this mentioned in your oh-so-precious bible? I have yet to see a single miracle, or any evidence of this so-called "grace".



Not going to picture-spam, so I'll just link this one.
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv46/childofturin/WhyCallHimGod.jpg

 

Really? Did you not even read the thread? We JUST finished have a conversation about this. This page even.

I feel that people who share my beliefs and do things like this are really just taking impact away from my points.

 

Good. It should. There are too many sickening things in the world for God to exist. I know that, if I were a supreme creator, I wouldn't let my creation destroy itself, no matter how much they cried for independence.

 

There are sickening things in it anyway. God would not prevent that, it is a natural part of the life that he wanted us to have once we gained the intelligence that we did during the Fall of Man. Once we demanded him to let us live life independently, he gave us lives to live.

You guys would probably enjoy the "God's Debris" theory. There's a book about it, and a free pdf somewhere legally available for download. Just look it up because I'm too lazy to explain it here.

EDIT: I thought that post would merge. Sorry for the bump here, guys.
EDIT by Styx: Merged them for you then.
EDIT by Dalk: Why thank you Styx.

 

God's existence cannot be proved or disproved. Secular evidence overwhelmingly says that he doesn't exist, but one can also counter that by saying that God is above natural laws and limitations. At the same time, however, there is no evidence to suggest that God exists. NONE. Debates such as these always end in both parties attacking one another because they lack the proper evidence to debunk their opponent, showing the lack of progress either side has made in being able to completely validate their belief.

 

Truth, but these conversations are really, REALLY entertaining if nothing else.

 

Same here, I just get tired of the constant atheism vs religion threads I see in this section. Nonetheless, there ARE a few intelligent, level-headed members here capable of having a conversation about religion/atheism/agnosticism. Of course, people like Repliku or CTR are the exception, not ze rule.

 

I'd like to think I'm one of these people. I'd be wrong, but I'd like to think so.

 

I feel obliged to remind some people:
Respect =/= Intelligence
That is all.

This goes back on-topic. This is a debate about God, not a debate about debates about God. ;)

 

A debate about God of which is pointless and will lead to nothing, as it always has/will.

 

We've established this, but it is nonetheless the topic. Now let's drop it.

 

While I believe the "God induced the Big Bang and then disappeared" theory is as credible as theistic theories get, it's still not very plausible imo. For you see, this still leaves us with two key questions: how the world was created (by God yes, but how did he do it?) and why it was created. A conscious demiurge must have had a certain idea, an intention in mind upon creating the universe, no?

While this hypothesis evades many questions other theists might not be able to answer, it still has a disadvantage compared to atheism. For most atheists, including myself, the second question is irrelevant.
Therefore I choose atheism simply because it leaves fewer gaps.

 

^^These are the facts. Before Adam & Eve it was just God and His angels in Heaven. When one saw that he had the same amount of power as God he rebelled against him. Then he formed what we know as Hell/The Underworld. It all depends on who you are really. I'm not saying that you have to believe in God, just that some people think he exists. Bringing up discussions about him all the time won't get you any closer to finding out the truth about the universe >| 'Cause for all you know, God may actually have a PSP, PS3, X-BOX & Wii and he could be playing bloodbath games and eating Doritios while drinking dr pepper/coke/pepsi/sprite.

 

Okay, I am a devout Christian. I have been all my life.
I think that God exists, and that he made the earth. I don't beleive in hardcore creationism, but I believe God did his part in sparking it all.

See, if God didn't exist, and we were made because of the Big Bang and Evolution, what difference would it make if I shot twenty people? If there's no plan for us made by something bigger, our lives are so meaningless it's depressing.

Thus, I believe Gosd exists.

 

I am a Christan too, and I'm sorry to say that our lives are pretty meaningless whether or not there's a god once you think about it.

 

Whether that makes our lives meaningless or not (and really, that's quite debatable) is completely unrelated to the question of whether god does or does not exist.

Nobody said the truth had to be comforting, and often, it isn't.

The idea of life having some grander purpose and there being some great deity watching out for all of us certainly sounds nice, but I certainly don't support the idea that you should believe certain things simply because it makes you happy to do so.

Otherwise I might as well start believing in Santa Claus again.

 

I feel it's more liberating, not having to worry about some omnipotent voyeur watching you do everything while he simultaneously watches everyone else in the universe. If there's no set plan, it just means we can make our own. Besides, it is classic human arrogance that if we don't exist, or if the race kills itself off, it's some kind of massive blow to the universe. This universe has existed for 13 billion years without us, and can easily survive 20+ billion more without us. We are just one small race, in one small galaxy, in a sea of billions of galaxies, each of which (I believe) contains at least one intelligent species. We would be no great loss. (Wow, I kinda got sidetracked there, huh?)

Anyways, if you think about it, not killing people is even more important in a Godless universe. If this is all we have, who are we to end someone else's existence? There are laws placed into effect to protect others, simply because no one person has the right to end someone else's life without due process (capital punishment is another debate).

 

Harsh.

In my opinion, Science and Religion are two seperate things altogether. Honestly, it's more than pointless to debate about them. They have nothing to do with one another. Just let people live their lives and choose their beliefs.

People fight wars for many different reasons besides religion. However, religion can and has caused wars.

 

GOD MODE ACTIVATED
"DEATH TO FIRSTBORN" POWER SELECTED
TARGET: EGYPT​

You have just proven that you have better morals and are worth following more than God, who according to the bible, killed innocents simply to make his power know. I could go on, but I suspect I've said this before in another thread.

EDIT: And so I have! http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=74000

Not for me, and if you have your senses functioning, not for you either. Because this deity loves to rain crap down upon us. Disease, malnutrition, aging, depression. If there is an all powerful deity looking out for humanity, I think it should get its act together and start fixing things up, because life has been slowing increasing in quality, but thanks to us, humans. God did nothing. This is another reason I am atheist. The thought of crediting the hard work of humans to make a better world to God. You might as well thank Santa for the gift of not stubbing your toe this morning.

Meaning? Please define. I see life as a roller coaster. Sometimes you love it, sometimes you want off, but there's no real point to it at all. There's just the ride.

Consider this: If there is a higher power, what do you think will happen if you go out and shoot 20 people? Will this deity stop you? Will the bullets be blocked? Of course not. Such a thought is laughable in the world we live in. What else can it do? Condemn you to hell? Great, you're punished, but those 20 people still have their lives cut short. The deity has still not dealt justice, which is compensation to those who got killed, and there's no compensation equal to the loss of a life.

You have made an impact. You are now not meaningless. You've killed 20 people and their families are distraught. How would a deity change this in the slightest? It wouldn't. I consider this the depressing part. Believing in an omnipotent being who lets that sort of thing go on, and even helps cause it.