god existing vs god not existing

Hurricane Katrina was pretty huge. 9/11 showed the rest of the world that terrorists had gotten inside and destroyed an important symbol of America and that they had no regrets killing over three thousand people and themselves in the process.

To me, there's far to much death and destruction in the world - everyday - for a god to possibly exist. If he's supposed to love all of his creations, then why let them kill each other?
And why did the dinosaurs die? Or are they not his creation, and therefore did not deserve to live?

This is still if a god exists or not discussion; simply different scenerios that would prove that he does or does not exist are being given.

 

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Ok well since you don't really believe the bible you probably dont care. but ill post it anyways.

In the bible in the garden of Eden (Adam and Eve) Satan (Bad guy) made the challenge to god that he could turn all the humans against him. So that is why he is not interfering with these humans killing each other for no aparent reason. He is showing that there are these bad people on earth but there are still good people on earth...

 

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I understand that. But it still doesn't answer my question about the dinosaurs' extinction.

 

Ok think about it... Animals... do they really have feelings? do they have free will? they act upon instinction. That doesn't mean God doesn't care. He cares about all his creations but aren't humans the most amazing?

 

So he killed the dominant race to make a new dominant race of things that actually mattered, whereas everything else might as well not exist?

 

Yes, they have feelings and they have free will. Instinct helps them survive. A dog won't hurt a person it likes, but it will hurt someone that it doesn't. Similarly, a dog can run away from someone or choose to remain at the human's side.
Ah, but remember, humans and dinosaurs did not exist during the same period of time.

 

yes your right they didn't live at the same time. but just backing up the thing i said Aren't humans the greatest creation? they are the most sophisticated. the most literate. And yet we still rip off the ideas from animals. Like the Airplane= Bird. Boat=Duck <-- that one i lied. ok ok im leavin goodnight

 

...What? You still aren't answering my question, and Dalk's for that matter. :/

Are you saying it's bad that humans have learned to survive based on observations made on animals?
Also, how can humans be the greatest creation if we can be killed by an animal like a dog or a lion? Or bacteria, a single-celled oranism.

 

Eh, he left. Now let's discuss a non-interfering God.

EDIT: Or not.

 

That's subjective, really.

What about it?

 

Truth be told, I don't really care. I only really brought that up because I knew that I wouldn't lose that debate.

 

Anything can kill anything. Does the ability to kill something else make you better? Humans have more of a thought prospect than other animals. Dogs can't Divide 2 into 12. Cats can't balance a checkbook. And most importantly, Horses can't play video games. So does the ability to kill another species make you better? my answer would be no.

 

1.So flies can kill bears?
2.Math is a system created by humans, of course humans can do it better than dogs and cats. They have no need to.
3.Because video games are essential to the survival of species.
4. If a species can kill another species, then that species is more adapt to live.

 

There are several animals that are incredibly close to human intelligence. I think that animals gaining intelligence in our lifetimes is more amazing than human beings who have had it for 6 million years. Besides, just look what we've done with our intelligence - poisoned water, acid rain, massive deforestation, hundreds of species going extinct on a daily basis, and more.

There are some animals that can do simple math. Dolphins, chimpanzees, others that I can't remember at the moment. Tell me, when you were born, did you know how to do 2/12? No. You had to learn. With animals, even the incredibly smart ones, they learn in completely alien ways. They don't have the same priorities that we do.

 

Oh c'mon thats just splittin hairs. Humans are superior intellectual. No matter wat we tried to do at this point in time Dogs won't learn our language. Where as we can learn spanish, chinese, english etc. I was just using Video Games as an exple btw.

That just shows that we are completely using our powers in the wrong way. With the way we have technology we are being really greedy aren't we? By now... all the money thats being used to save all these stupid car industries that are polluting the air And besides that they are gonna go down sooner or later thats basically a sure thing, All that money could be used to save all these dieing children. Instead of putting More money into the already burning pockets of these CEO's.

But if we didn't show them how to do these things they wouldn't know how to do it. Dolphins and Monkeys couldn't just think up these things on their own. They had to be shown how to do this by Humans. If they were still in the Wild they wouldn't be counting would they?

 

Those are all *human* constructs, do you really think it's fair to be judging animals by them?

A cheetah can run faster then any human (they can do it naturally, without the help of tools). The fish near the bottom of the sea can stand absurdly high pressures that would destroy a human in moments. Fleas can jump several times their own height. Certain reptiles can easily grow parts of their bodies back. Animals can do amazing things we could never even dream of.

As humans we have our intelligence, but animals have other things asides that, we can't really say we're "superior" to them, it's a subjective matter.

 

And this whole Animal Thingy realy falls under the Topic of Believing In God and not. People that believe in Evolution basically we're equal to Animals right?

 

In a way. I wouldn't count myself equal to, say... a bacterium, but to a chimpanzee... we're pretty damn close. It all depends on the intelligence of a creature. Now, granted, jsut because they are not as equal to us as a higher life form doesn't mean we can wipe them out. There is still the balance of nature to contend with. If we wiped out all bacteria that can cause illness, a great many creatures that may DEPEND on those bacteria would die, and the things that eat THEM would die, and on up the food chain. Just because they are not as sophisticated as us doesn't mean they are less important. It's just... I feel more of an affinity and equality with more intelligent (in the human sense of intelligence) animals.

 

AHh!! finally we are on the same page on something... it feels good. We are not better than animals no. But like you sais we aren't equal to Bacterium. Where as THEY!!! dont have free thought... do they? I never really thought any animals did but i already argued that point so I won't really bring that point up again.