Gay Marriage: Should it be allowed

I find it a little bit wrong that homosexuals can come in and invade marriage, and just completely change the face of it. Honestly, is gay people asking Christianity to change the concept of marriage any different than me asking gay people to be straight?

None of it even matters, I'm really tired of hearing the "Gay people have the right to love" argument. no one ever said they didn't.
In the end, all this gay marriage crap is about money. Marriage is a religious, Jewish concept. Some argue that it was pagan first, but it doesn't even really matter.
the point is, it was religious before anything. So depending on what religion you want to base your marriage on, you do it that way. Take a Jewish marriage for example.

If two gay people are in love, and have a Jewish or [insert whichever religion came first here] marriage ceremony, then as far as God [/whatever] is concerned,THEY ARE MARRIED.

no matter what the law says, no matter what the state says, they are, according to X religion, married.

These pro-gay marriage gays are only concerned about claiming tax benefits. end of story.

 

Gay people aren't asking Christianity to change the concept of marriage, they're asking the government to enforce the Constitution, as in the separation of church and state, as in "all men are created equal." By denying that right, you might as well tell every homosexual, "You're not as important as a straight person."

What if two homosexuals are Christian? They can't base their marriage on that, can they? If marriage was a pagan concept and let became a Jewish concept then that means that it changed over time. So it should be able to change again and be included in the rights of homosexuals. Money has nothing to do with gay marriage, except in the way that gay marriage will affect the country's budget. In which case, it'll help, as the article I pointed out earlier clearly showed.

The fact is, even if they do have a religious marriage ceremony, they're not socially or legally married. Which means we're denying them rights, which means we're stating heterosexuals are above them which is obviously not true.

 

they already do that. it's called a civil union.

why wouldn't they be able to base their marriage off of that? Yes, the Bible condemns homosexual marriage, but they can still do it, just like the rest of the things the Bible says you can't do.

if homosexuals are only wanting the right to love one another like heterosexuals do, why does social or legal marriage even matter? it doesn't. church and state are SEPARATED. a marriage in a church does not need to be accepted by the government. any two gays can be married, but they can't claim legal marriage or tax benefits. hence, this whole argument.

 

And why should they not be entitled to them? Is the "face of marriage" so important to you that you'd forbid marriage for them? Even if the pro-marriage gays are only concerned about money, sounds to me like you're concerned about even less than that.

 

Yes in theory you could convince us that homosexuals are invading marriage.
On the other hand I could also argue that homosexual couples are immigrants, and marriage is America.
And then the hard core Christians of America says "NO YOU CAN'T COME INTO AMERICA! YOU AREN'T HOLY ENOUGH!â€
Gay couples have every right to get married, and they are not invading, they are fighting for their rights as human beings.

Actually many people say gays have no right to love. In Africa over 75% of the countries will kill you on sight if they suspect you to be a homosexual.
The other countries in Africa instead imprison any person they believe to be a homosexual. During the holocaust Adolph Hitler sent thousands of homosexuals to concentration camps to be tortured, and believe me they had way worse than the Jews did! And in America many Christians express that homosexuality is a sin, and that gays have no right to show their love in public.

Straight couples get married for the same reason as gay couples get married.
Some get married for the benefits. Some couples get married so they can steal the other person’s money, and some pure hearted people actually get married so that they can be together.

Yes and not many states have civil unions. And many others forbid it, or forbid to recognize it legally!

 

and i feel deeply and genuinely sorry for them, and don't think that any of those people have the right to do that to them.

you're seriously comparing THIS to what is above? seriously? WHO CARES? just because American Christians SAY that homosexuality is a sin and gays have no right to show their love in public, DOESN'T MEAN that homosexuals have to listen.
if they don't believe its a sin, it doesn't matter.
nothing can stop them from showing love in public,no matter what any church says.

 

Who cares? Who cares?!
*Breathes*
Listen, and listen good!
If you have a large percentage of people that hate your guts because of your orientation, then there is a good chance that you will meet these bigots at bars, restraints, colleges, and just about everywhere you go!

Do you not get that the ideology that homosexuals are evil could lead to not only verbal abuse of gays, but physical abuse to gays as well?
Did you know that some parents would literally isolate themselves from their homosexual children or worse punish them? Did you know that every minute thousands of Bisexual, and Gay kids are bullied every day, because of their sexual orientation?

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

 

This is completely awful, but if you think about it, these hateful types of people are still going to exist whether gay people are allowed to marry or not. The sad truth of things is that homosexuality is not accepted by many, so they will continue to be discriminated against. People used to get beaten up because they were black, and some still do. People used to get beaten up because they were women, and still do. This type of hatred, I fear, will never stop. Hopefully they will become more widely accepted over time (and hopefully that time will be soon), but legalizing gay marriage will not result in tolerance from all.

You're right though, it is tough to be gay in this day and age. Heck, it's always been tough for them, but I hope things will be changing soon.

 

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually homosexuality has been observed in many animals including, dogs, buffalo, lions, house cats, rabbits, sheep, penguins (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-that-dare-not-squeak-its-name.html), dragonflies, bonobos, and giraffes to name a few.
So homosexuality, and bisexuality are quite natural.
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This link is very important, it will give you a short review of the facts of homosexuality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY

 

While it is natural to an extent (very few of the species on this planet practice it), it is not, so to speak, normal. Especially for humans, it does not fall under the category of normal behavior, genetically and behaviorally speaking. That said, I stand by what I said earlier in the thread.

 

Being normal is wierd, and being wierd is normal.

 

I do agree with that. Really. But in this case, I was speaking from a behavioral and evolutionary scientist's stance, not from society's stance. Because homosexuality is not present in a majority of our species, or even in a comparatively large portion (considering the 6-7 billion people on earth, a few million is not that much), it is not, technically, normal. :D

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, for Bonobos, sex is used not as an expression of love, or merely as reproduction. Sex, for them, is also a greeting, bonding exercise among peers, and even mother-child bonding.

 

And it is used as a way to resolve conflicts too.
Bonobos are very peaceful creatures, and smart ones to boot.

 

homosexuality IS normal. its been going on for millenias. it may not have been accepted yet but its been around for years for example president garfeild was bi

 

The technical answer: No, it shouldn't, at least not by Christian standards. Forgive me for not being knowledgeable in marriages of non-judeochristian religious systems, but as far as the Christian faith goes, marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman.

The realistic answer: Yes, since separation of church and state no longer exists in the United States, and most of the churches decided to hand over the rights to regulating marriage to the state. Since the government is the one in control in this case, it should make marriage open to both heterosexual and homosexual couples.

 

So what you're saying is that homosexuality is, biologically, about as normal as being left-handed? Because the majority of humanity is right-handed, as the majority are also heterosexual. If that's the case, maybe "uncommon" would be a better word than "not normal", because the latter could be perceived as a negative connotation.

 

I have to agree with you, I mean love is a feeling not a gender.
Firstly I don't like to judge anyone for anything as I like not to be judged by others. Secondly a marriage is a marriage no matter how you put it and trsut me there are places where people marry their pets and even threes, so why not let them get married?

 

Whoever derepped me for this post needs to read the rest of the thread, because I already made the point that I am not against gay marriage. I was pointing out the flaws in this logic. So think before you do something next time.

 

I think gay marriage should be allowed, because its just two people that love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives with each other. Who cares about them being the same gender. They are still are human with feelings and personalities. Its just that they like their gender. Which is perfectly okay. I know some great people that are gay and they are the funniest people in the world. LOl, and the are totally awesome. So that is my opinion.

 

Well, as I said, since the church and the government are two separate organizations, this is a lot more complicated than that. Even if gay marriage were legalized, many churches still would not support it and would not let them marry.