Gay Marriage: Should it be allowed

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  1. Styx That's me inside your head.

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    I'm for gay marriage. I mean, why not? Is there one decent reason for not letting them?

    I'm laughing so hard, I don't think even droppîng dead would stop it.
     
  2. Destined Working for WDW

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    So you are saying that if you get married you are imprisoned forever in Alcatraz?

    Anyway, the way I see it, I personally believe that marriage is between two people committed to spending the rest of their lives together. I know that for a long time the standard has been Marriage is between a man and a woman. Standards change. It used to be that if you are married you are to remain married. Divorce is one of the breakings of the norms. Hell, half of all marriages usually end up in divorce anyway, so then what is the big deal about two men or two women becoming one? There are now 3 states in the US that have legallized this, so obviously people feel that this is ok.

    One of the biggest problems I have with society considering this topic is adoption. In my gender class we were discussing how much harder it is for a same sex couple to adopt a child. This is persecution imo. If both adults can show that they are responsible, then why are they not allowed to provide a better environment for a child who can benefit? Well one could say that a child being adopted into a house of two moms or two dads will turn homosexual as well is utter bull.
     
  3. Scarred Nobody Where is the justice?

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    No, i was making a joke i heard before.
     
  4. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    I think there should only be "Gay Dating". Reason: Guys can get along to the point where they can start flirting with each other. Marriage is a form of relationship which is run by man and woman. If there is a possibility where there's nothing wrong with gay marriage then no breeding should be involved(XD).
     
  5. kaseykockroach Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Gay people should have the right to fall in love, get married, learn to hate each other then get divorced like the rest of us.
     
  6. Scarred Nobody Where is the justice?

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    I seriously lol'd.
     
  7. Inasuma "pumpkin"

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    It doesn't really matter to me. To each their own.
     
  8. childofturin Why?

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    This is a tough one, huh? I mean, on the one hand, if someone really wants to live that life, than I say let them. I mean, I don't really care one way or another, since the proportion of gay people wanting to get married in the US is probably pretty low compared to the rest of us, making it relatively unlikely to meet more than one or two married gay couples in my life.

    On the other hand, homosexuality does defeat the entire purpose of sex in the first place - to make babies and carry on the race and enrich the gene pool. Two men or two women can't biologically make babies, therefore, to the scientific part of my mind, homosexuality as a whole is a pointless, ultimately harmful (theoretically) situation. I mean, theoretically, if enough of any population were homosexual, it would lose any genetic diversity and die out. I know the human race is in no danger of that, but that's what comes to mind - all the lectures I've heard on genetic diversity.

    I don't know. All I know is that I'm perfectly happy to pass this choice on to politicians.


    Also, my first post in weeks, since my internet wouldn't let me on here for a while. Yay!
     
  9. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    that specific purpose of sex has already been defeated. How many people have sex now NOT trying to get pregnant? Sex used to be breeding, now it's just mostly screwing with a small percentage of people making babies.

    And if two homosexuals want a child, they could get a surrogate. Or better yet, adopt. Take some of those poor orphans and give them a home.

    EDIT:
    Ten Reasons Why Gay Marriage Shouldn't be Legal:

    1.Being gay is not natural. Real Americans ™ always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

    2.Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

    3.Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

    4.Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

    5.Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

    6.Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

    7.Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

    8.Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

    9.Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

    10.Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans
     
  10. childofturin Why?

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    I was just referring to the biological impulses of sex. I mean, all these people trying not to get pregnant, they still can. It's still a possibility. I know there are options, but the point is that the only way for new offspring to enter the gene pool is through heterosexuality at some stage. As I said, I'm pretty much undecided. Let the politicians have this one. Let them have the glory and the blame for this decision.
     
  11. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    I'm sigging that. I really like that.

    As the edit in my previous post said:
    America (and most of the world) has adapted to many things since its beginning. Many things that were considered completely unnatural at the time have become part of every day life.
    Gay marriage would just be another unnatural thing we would eventually forget about.
    We had a debate about this in my Goverment class last semester.
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    "Gay Marriage should be illegal because this country was built on Christian beliefs and the bible states homosexuality is wrong"
    No matter what religion this country was based on, it has been long stated that religion and government are two separate entities and should remain separate. So to all the people against it: come up with a better excuse.

    The only way a government should use religion in politics is if it's ONE religion, and if it has been proven to the world that the specific religion is the right one. And what are the chances of that happening? But that's another debate for another time
     
  12. Yukichin Traverse Town Homebody

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    I'm obviously going to be biased on this; I'm gay myself.

    that being said...

    I definitely think it should be legal! There's no proof that I've seen that same-sex couples can't raise children just as well as heterosexual couples. And, religions will not be forced to marry same sex couples; if they don't want to, they don't have to. Marriage isn't solely religious; it's also legal, and I don't think that people necessarily seem to get that.

    As for sex being used to procreate... well, yes, that's it's purpose. But it's purpose is also for pleasure, because frankly, sex feels good and why the hell would it feel good if it was only meant to make babies? Besides, infertile couples still have marriages, yet you don't see people screaming "CAN'T MAKE BABIES!!!" at their weddings.

    I just honestly don't understand why it would affect others, gay marriage. It's two people in love trying to have a legal contract letting them see each other if something happens to each other, pretty much, and some other legal benefits; it really wouldn't affect anyone else, as far as I can tell. (plus, if anyone's seen Prop 8: The Musical... it'd help the economy! LOL)


    EDIT: as for separation of church and state... well, there's honestly no way we'll ever have complete separation unless nobody in the United States is religious, and even then that would affect peoples' beliefs.
     
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    You have no idea how hard I laughed at this. LMFAO
     
  14. childofturin Why?

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    technically, the pleasure of sex is an evolutionary adaptation to get it to happen as often as possible. I mean, if sex were painful, no one would do it (excepting rape, where it's still pleasurable for someone), and the race would die. If it didn't feel at all, there would be far less of it, and the race would remain very small. Nature never counted on human religions making it a shameful thing to do.

    But yes, I do tend to agree that, in our species, sex is also for pleasure.
     
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    me too man!
     
  16. venster You never heard of me, but I pop in time to time

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    This is what I think.

    Gays are gays. It's the way they were born, they couldn't have developed it due to their environment. If two gays want to marry, they should. They're like anyone else. They're two individuals who love each other. Why should the law prevent them to marry? It's not like they're doing any harm.

    Then if they adopt a child, they're providing that child with a home and family. And since "being gay" is something that you're born with, it's not like the child will become gay due to his/her "parents" influence.
     
  17. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    Well that depends on your point of view, a lot of people believe homesexuality is genetic or something you're born with.
    Others believe it's gained over time. "you're not born a gay, you're born again" (The movie Saved)
     
  18. childofturin Why?

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    Actually, while I don't know anything about any biological predispositions for gayness (it might be right, I just don't know), if a child is raised in a gay environment from the right stage of life (from just after infancy, say), they can and sometimes do become gay later in life. It's not JUST biological. I mean, I really have nothing against gay people, but I just wanted to point that out.
     
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    You'd best be trollin', fool.
     
  20. Noise For Love and Justice

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    HA! this is my time to shine!

    speaking as a Gay and a Catholic...there are several things i would love to point out on the...

    Gay Marraige vs The Chruch(s)
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    1st of...theres the thing,

    Many Christains say that gay marriage is "unnatural", a valid opinoin.
    However...many Christains have seemed to forgotten that theres this little thing called "Separation of Chruch and State" so no matter how much they *****...if the Senate and the Congress agree to let it happen (via Civil Union) they have no say,( like the US gov has no say in how they pratice there religion(s)

    2nd!!

    To Catholics...and i kid you not (striaght from my conformation teachers mouth)

    and i quote

    "marriage is for the soul purpose to make children"

    I asked...

    "so...what if you dont want kids?"

    she replies

    "when you are having marriage council the priest will ask you 'do you plan on having kids?' if you say 'no' he will regect your marriage and wont allow it"

    end quote

    so in a nut shell...

    thats ****ed up and love does not excist in the world...even thought everyone says it does...but if two men...or women cant marry and they have LOVE....then there really isnt hope.

    3rd and final

    People have gotten used to divores and interracial marrige...so i hope that one day some one in washington grows a pair and tell those ****ing idiots to get there **** straight...
     
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