Birth by Sleep Fresh "New Enemy" Theory

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by Zeftnon - The Superior, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Heart+Body+Soul: Whole person

    Heart (With darkness): Heartless
    Heart (Without darkness): None

    Body+Heart: Death
    Body+Soul: Nobody

    Soul: Death
    Soul+Heart: New Enemy?

    We know that a heart is a part vital to the existence of any living being, and it stabilizes the light and darkness of a person. When a person (not a PoH) gives in to the darkness of their heart, they will become a Heartless.

    The body is the vessel that holds everything. Nothing more. When the soul leaves it, even if it still has a heart, the person is dead. However, when the person loses the heart, if they have a strong will, the remaining parts become a Nobody (the body to give the Nobody shape, and the soul to give it life).

    Now the soul simply gives something life. Heartless act only on instinct, being born from darkness; they are masterless and free, and only wish to find and consume hearts to create more Heartless. Nobodies, however, can think and plan, thanks to their souls. If this is all true, and the new creature is the remaining heart and soul of a person, you could think of it as a Heartless that can think and has both light and darkness within it.

    What I think, is that this creature is in-between in all aspects: Both light and dark, you could say neither Heartless nor Nobody, neither existent nor non-existent (possibly). In real life, dusk is twilight after sunset. In KH2, Dusks are beings of nothingness, that posseses a soul and a body, along with a strong will. They spawn from the Twilight realm, or in-between the light and dark realms. So, the new enemies. I believe the new enemies are twilight enemies, meaning they could actually use light and darkness at the same time and not separately, or they are Dawn enemies. I'll explain.

    In real life Dawn is the twilight before sunrise. It is recognized by the presence of WEAK SUNLIGHT while the sun itself is still below the horizon. So let's tie this to KH shall we. Twilight has been often called the blue hour by photographers based on a french word because of the romanctic ambient light, also known as AVAILABLE LIGHT or EXISTING LIGHT. Nobodies aren't supposed to exist, yet they do, the weakest of them all are called Dusks, hmm connection? Let's continue. In real life there is something called a BLue Flash. It's a rare phenonama that occurs shortly aftersunset or before sunrise. Hmm, blue... the BBS enemies are blue. Blue Flashes are refractions of light, and are higher frequencies of light that CURVES in the atmosphere. So Shadows, Dusks, and Dawns...

    Now then, as stated above, I think this creature is the remaining heart and soul. With a soul, it can think and plan. So it's quite different from a Heartless, which only act on instinct. Nomura said that this creature was wild. Since this creature lacks a body, all of its emotions and memories don't have something to hold it in. When this creature is made, it might keep a certain powerful emotion that had a big impact on their lives and memories to go with that emotion. It can think, but the emotion is so powerful, it can only concentrate on it, making it crazy a.k.a. wild. And symbolically (as KH is full of symbols), since it lacks a body, it cannot hold in that emotion, and they bubble and froth nonstop. A Nobody, with a body and soul but no heart, creates a creature without emotion. This new enemy, with a soul and a heart but no body, creates a creature full of emotion. This is backed up by the "Lingering Spirit". It's not canon, I know. I think Nomura's reason for putting him in is to give us some hints on BBS. The most noticable hints are the introductions of Aqua and Ven and Terra's anger for Master Xehanort. A hint I discovered is about the new enemies and it might be that Terra in this state is him as the new creature. That is not really Terra we're fighting - That's his lingering spirit - His soul and his horrible memories fuelled by emotion. The spirit could only talk about his two lost friends and his hatred for Master Xehanort, and those emotions made him a WILD and uncontrollable beast that you must fight. He can also be called the "Lingering Sentiment", and sentiment means emotion so...

    Maybe a different strong emotion makes a different form of this creature. I mean like a person who has experienced great sadness could make the regular thin "Dawns", happiness makes those big blue ones, and then there's anger, shock and awe, boredom, calmness, fear, paranoia, disgust, shyness, etc. And if you have a really strong heart with multiple emotions, you regain your human form (Terra). Sounds like fun to fight them. :D
     
  2. Erkz Kingdom Keeper

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    ... There's something unsettling about this theory... It seems plausible, but there are one or two things that strike me as odd. I shall return when I find out why.
     
  3. Dredica SNES was the best.

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    I think, no, I'm possitive that the NEW enemies will be about souls. I think they are called Dis-Soul.
     
  4. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Feel free. I'm open for constructive criticism.
     
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    but when a heartless takes a weak heart, that person turns into a heartless(which is REALLY basic).
    so Body+Soul-Weak Heart+overwhelming darkness=Heartless because if they had a strong heart, then there would be a nobody also. and if a NORMAL person(not one of the princesses) with a pure heart lost their heart(which does contains the soul, correct?), wouldn't a body be left over? this also could explain how the Soul+Heart thing came to be because this was a time without heartless or nobodies so there could be more people with pure hearts during this period. the only thing that bugs me about this is how they lost their heart in the first place...
     
  6. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    idk what to say about this theory. I think its good. I'm so confused about this new enemy though. It might be simpler than what you said...it might be more complicated. and the guy who posted before me (i forgot your name sorry :D) had a good point. It takes darkness to become a heartless. Of course, everyone has darkness in them, but well idk...im so confused here. for once, i have nothing to say...
     
  7. kowae7 Traverse Town Homebody

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    Wow, that was so awesome. I could not have thought of that.

    It's probably true.
     
  8. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    About the emotions, I mean if you feel it in an... evil way, you know? I can't really explain it. Like, the "happiness" ones become those creatures because the person "happily" chose to give in to the darkness, and the "sadness" and "anger" ones and whatnot were so depressed that they gave in to the darkness. It's all about giving in to the darkness, and the emotion felt while doing it. Those creatures still have light in them, but maybe it takes the power of the Keyblade to unlock that light and bring them back to their human state... Perhaps Terra becoming that creature in FM really does happen, as his eyes turn yellow ("side effect" of darkness consummation) while he was angry...

    Oh yes, and I forgot to mention in the theory: "Blue Flashes are refractions of light, and are higher frequencies of light that CURVES in the atmosphere", I capitalized the letters in "curves" because the blue "Dawn" enemies have curved bodies.
     
  9. Hexin Hollow Bastion Committee

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    It's a good theory; I'll give it that. Now, why aren't those new creatures in KH1 and Kh2? Makes you wonder.... >:/
     
  10. trulove13 Destiny Islands Resident

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    This theory is probably the BEST thing i have EVER heard, you truly know your stuff!!!!
     
  11. Atlas Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Kh1 was about Heartless, Kh2 was about nobodies. Why shove all your ideas into one game? They probably would want to spread KH out as far as possible, because they know we're going to buy almost everything they make, game wise. (Except Coded, i'm really not looking forward to that)

    Anyway, this is good. It makes sense, and it seems to have a sort of kh-y feel to it.
     
  12. Xux Moogle Assistant

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    Heheh, that almost seems too easy.

    No, the weakest are called Creepers.

    How does his eyes turning yellow show that he's turning into a creature with red eyes?

    This is a pretty good theory, though. I dunno about all of the blue stuff, though. I figured it'd be related to the blue substance coming out of the rocks behind the DTD in KH and on the Dark Beach and also around the Neo Shadows' eyes...if those are all related.
     
  13. Allstargamer Twilight Town Denizen

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    What make everybody think that every monster/enemy type was once a human in KH? Just because Nobodies and Heartless are, it doesn't mean that these new ones will be. MX is supposed to be some sort of genius. It's possible that the new enemies are the products of some sort of an experiment of his.
     
  14. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    1.) That hasn't been confirmed.
    2.) When both the Heartless and the Nobody of a person is defeated, the person becomes whole again.
    3.) Neither Heartless nor Nobodies existed in BBS.
     
  15. gerlert_fav2005 Traverse Town Homebody

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    Wow! Your theory is incredible. I bet if Nomura waould see this he'll think,"Oh no! They found out!", or something... :\

    Anyway, I have not thought of that before... The only question I have is why they didn't show any Heartless or Nobodies during Terra's time and why aren't those new enemies during KH-KH2.
     
  16. gerlert_fav2005 Traverse Town Homebody

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    We don't know what's going on Nomura's head! ;]
    And besides, he probably thought them up YEARS ago, just didn't felt like putting them on the first game... That or he wanted suspense...
     
  17. Vex123 Traverse Town Homebody

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    That's probably the point of the game or something. They probably could have all been killed off, or something could have been done to make them impossible to form again, There are many possible explanations.
     
  18. Fallout Gummi Ship Junkie

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    It is a good theory, but I don't believe that type of 'new' enemy will be in Birth By Sleep.

    But, it will probably appeare in Kingdom Hearts 3.

    Great theory, man. =D
     
  19. Shiki my waifu is better than yours, thanks

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    That's all bull. If it HAS been confirmed to be called "Soulless" then where is your proof? Where is an interview with your proof hmm?
     
  20. Allstargamer Twilight Town Denizen

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    I'm seeing all these theories about how the new enemy is human based, just like the Nobodies and Heartless. But none of them ever have proof. Where's the proof? Why can't htey just be a new enemy?

    and FYI,your idea of "souless" is far from fresh.