Finally I will be able to become a loli before I die

Why do you see a difference?

 

Chaos is the driving force of nature. Man is just not as in harmony with her chaos to achieve their potential most of the time as they use to.
People have conquered because they fear death. Death is a good motivator to do things, to succeed, to achieve.Life is in Favour we have more born then die in a year, we are 7 billion strong and rapidly advancing, we don't need more people alive. We do not have the resources for that.

Man paves over nature, he does not live in harmony with it. He goes against her, not with her.
Humanity is young but has the ambitions to fight nature, which has nurtured them. It is to lead to our downfall to not see the critical problems we cause ourselves in the long run.

 

That actually raises an extremely interesting question. If your "self" is stored in a nonvolatile means of storage (eg, a hard drive) and the machine containing it shut down and rebooted, would the you being loaded on the reboot be the same you that was put on the disc?

 

If they become able to store a human mind on a hard drive as a program, then yes. At that point it will be arguable that "you" did not exist and that the program was all there ever was, even when you had a body.

 

Tali'Zorah... does this unit... have- a soul?

 

I'm going to sell you Legion for MUNNY, ya!

 

You make a lot of claims, speak platitudes. "Nature" is the set of laws that limit possible occurrences. If a thing happened, it was natural.

Under causality, it was more than that—it was always going to happen because nature decided that it would.

Why do you put such ideals onto the concept?

Man is a product nature, and nature has created man. He cannot fight against himself.

 

Just sayin'.

 

Also just sayin'.

 

Man is the babe to Mother Nature.
If we have the opportunity to take from her, it does not mean we should.

It is not smart to take away and strip down all that our supplier gives us, it will leave us demanding more. And when there is no more, ther is no more. We are folly to our own actions then.

 

Death is a good motivator
But motivation only get's one too far.
At the end of the day all motivation and desire for anything will ultimately be shut down because nature decided to kill you.
Since the dawn of time mankind has had to struggle with fighting against natures whims.
We made the umbrella to protect from nature's rain
We made the lightbulb to protect from nature's darkness
We made the internet to overcome nature geographic limitations
Nature has set and defined rules and it is through set and defined rules that people are limited.
Once you go beyond these rules truly can you grasp at anything.

Nature is our mother but like any child we must eventually break free from the control of our mother in order to acheive greater things.

 

I agree. However, with this immortality and the advances it provides would come freedom from most of needs. When humans stop needing to eat, for instance.

The difference is that we are also a resource, an animal. We are a part of the nature we destroy. We are not separate, we are not fighting it. If we destroy other parts of nature, then nature is destroying itself through us.

 

If we are immortal we cease to be human.
We become nothing but data.

 

But we'd still be thinking individuals who have ambitions and emotions. We'd still be people, even if we ceased to be humans.

 

For how long? Things change, we would either evolve or die. And if we can't evolve in this new form, it leaves one option.

 

What makes you think that we are not like that now?

But being immortal does not make us more like data by itself. Becoming immortal as a machine does, but there are theoretically other ways to become immortal. Like anti-aging agents.

What kind of evolution do you mean? If you mean reproductive evolution, then "we" could never evolve in the first place. It is our children who would be different, not us. That point is moot.

 

But doesn't immortality imply the inability to die?

 

I was talking of this example in the thread though.

You mean invincibility. Immortality you will not die from time. You can still be killed.

 

Should have been more clear.

I don't see how being transferred to another hard drive changes the nature of the person.

I edited my post.

 

How about the very fact we are in a new form?
We have no sense, we have no body to move the same way, we will tackle challenges the same as we would if we had our human body, and if we do change it will be in the mind of our new body, not our human one. We will change, we will not be the same, we will evolve like a machine, like an AI, not like a person.

How can we evolve as humans being machines? It is like teaching a chicken to be an elephant.