Evolution vs Religion

Little sidenote: I would laugh if our bodies WERE run by Gremlins that were so small we mistook them for moving plasma or somesuch rubbish.

Well, Cin, I must say you're getting a little better at saying " I believe " rather than " this is how it is ". xD I'm thankful for that, at least. Honestly, though, my ideas aren't warped simply because they differ greatly from everyone else's.... Actually, okay yeah that probly does make them warped. But I believe I'm right and that's the only thing that matters to me. =P

Now, I'd like to state that nothing we have "proven" is 100%, there's always a chance we're wrong. Look at light; we thought that light was constant, but then we found black holes that actually suck in light, making it not-so-constant. There's always gonna be -something- to add a little doubt to our "proof". Even to evolution, which by the way is still a theory.. Just a really, really strong one.

 

Haha, Gremlins.

That's true.
Darwin even said his theory couldn't work.
So...it was HIS theory...should we not believe him?

 

But how do we know that it came from God? I guess that's the main problem I have with someone saying 'LOOK! This BOOK written by MEN is all the proof you need of the existence of God.'

 

well... ive always hated religion so... u know my answer!

 

Wew know it came from God because of the Gospels.
In the New testament, you should know if you read the bible, there were 4 books at the beggining:
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John.

That's how we know there was a Jesus.
There is proof to back Jesus up, okay?
I haven't found it yet and, quite frankly, I am too lazy right now to search.

 

The bible was written by jesus's diciples after he died, it was his most loyal followers. For that we can not be totally sure of what it says, but that is what religion has to go on.
Sidenote: Comedian I heard "Jesus didn't write the bible, his friends did. And you how sometimes you friends can be jerks and get it wrong sometimes". I just found that funny.

 

Okay, but have you -read- the bible?
Or at least the Gospels?
they say, pretty much, the same things.
That's how we know it's accurate.

 

8 year catholic education, 12 years of christian church, and a very religious family. Yes I have, I also sat in on christian club meetings during high school. I know the bible, revelation the most.

 

Okay.
You should KNOW then...
Gospel is right, "proof" is wrong.
God disproves all.
End of story.

 

I know it, but by no means does the logic set right in my head, something about being controled by anything but ourselves, is crazy to me, I envy people who can feel it and I have tried but nothing logical can come from what I have read.

 

We have free will, but God KNOWS what we are gonna do.

 

I understand that, but what i am saying is that many people can not grasp the idea of something big in the world. And that it is hard to understand that "God has a plan" when so much destruction has happened or that there has been an enourmous amount of blood spilt in his name.

 

I know all this iPraise, I've had twelve years of a catholic education. I've had to read the bible pretty much cover to cover.

For me, Evolution is easier for me to accept because of the bones found that support the theory. The bones of the earlier hominids that came before us such as Lucy and Homo Erectus and the Neanderthals. Their skulls look like our own, their hands look like ours, their faces look like ours.

And for future reference, in a debate, be able to logically back up your standpoint. Don't just say 'I'm too lazy to right now.'

 

What about "Sodom and Gomorah"?

 

The entire idea of an intelligent conversation is showing us how and why this is true. Not to stomp your feet and demand we listen.

Show me God disapproves all. Are you God? No. Show me the Gospel is right. :/

God doesn't know what we are gonna do. He, even though he is all knowing, cannot tell me what my next step will be. He may know me, but if he were to predict that's a different story. He can't automatically have our set path planned out. That's not possible.

 

If God knows what we're going to do and he is all-loving, all-powerful why does he still allow unspeakable evil to happen? Well, if I were you I would argue that God would like there to be some evil in the world so as to help build our souls and make us stronger and firmer believers as human beings. Of course than I would have to ask what exactly is so soul-improving about a father's conscious decision to murder his entire family and then take his life? Why couldn't God give us free will where we always freely choose to do good.

Then again I think of God as the most irrational thing to ever be conceived in this universe. You're not all that absolute if you go from malevolent and genocidal to all-loving and compassionate 600 pages later. If there is a powerful being out there there's nothing that says that it is God and that it is perfect in any way.

 

Just throwing this out there...my friends mom is a nurse and she has examined an eye and...it can't come from an evolutional cycle.

 

Yes, it can. In evolutionary theory, the complexity of the eye was the product of many, many microevolutions. Straight out of Grade 12 Biology text book.

 

The basic components of our eyes are still found in the simple multi-cellular organisms. The basic photo-receptors (structures that capture light) and the nerves that connect to them can be found in Flat Worms.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
that is part of what i think about the Bible, how can you prove that it was written by the disciples, and by God through them? people say "how do you know that all of this evolution stuff happened? (to an extent Big Bang etc)" religious people are just as clueless about all of this, except religion relies on faith and belief not evidence so..