Evolution vs Religion

I was once Christian. I hold nothing against intelligent Christians that actually can believe in God and yet still have their feet on the ground and logic things out. I have a great many Christian friends. This isn't about believing and God or not. It comes down to the fact that the Bible was written by men in a time where they believed the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth and not vice versa, there were no accounts of the dinosaurs, slavery and war were very common, and differences of religion were met with ultimate hatred and disrespect.

I apologize for scaring you off. In the end, it's not God I am hitting at here. I am targeting the book since that is your big proof, other than these proclaimed miracles you have witnessed. I don't know or care if God exists or Jesus was a prophet or if he ever existed. What you believe is your choice. However, coming to an argument with only 'faith' and no logic tends to get someone frustrated; especially when others know the background more assuredly. This is the problem with 'Creationists'. They have no grasp that others may just read the Bible a ton of times to comprehend things, and yet they misconstrue and lie to children, telling them things that science and history are bad because they do not all coincide with the Bible. Religion doesn't research: It tells you how to feel and be and you do it without question. Philosophy, spirituality and science do take the time and though these have errors, at least they analyze and expand. Many Christians are moving to be more spiritual and for that I am grateful. Creationism is a blemish that needs to be eradicated. Preachers and parents that teach that and encourage children to walk out of Biology and Geology classes should be sent to shrinks. It really grinds my gears to hear how zealous bible thumpers are making the nation dumber and dumber.

 

Here is a math equation you might understand then.

You + Bible = Stubborn Child
You + Reading Other's Posts Throughly = Not in this reality
You + Logical Replies = Also not in this reality

God = Omnipotent Forgiver = Forgive His Creations
Satan = One of God's Creations
Therefore, God should be able to forgive Satan, but this is 'untrue' according to your statements.

So why can't God fogive Satan or even reason with him?

 

Could have fooled me.

But I guess you're back to telling us how we're all wrong for not putting our faith in a book written by men for men that is filled with so many inconsistencies that it makes most people into complete religious nutjobs.

Maybe I'm trying to get you to see that there is more obvious proof there besides words on paper.

And the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs was roughly the size of Mt. Everest. Substantial but far less than the size of the earth.

And I am curious of this water diagram you speak of. Technology has come leaps and bounds to let us see such things.

 

Zandyne, since I'm no longer in this debate, I'm just gonna post one more thing before I leave.

Satan left and took 1/3 of all the angels, because he thought he was better than God.
Satan pulled an unforgivable sin on purpose.

 

Really...why should Satan die who is one of God's creations? Also, if God is omniscient, how come he didn't see what Lucifer was up to with the tree? If he did, he planned on testing Adam and Eve? Okay, well then why did he get mad at Eve for what happened and not Lucifer? The whole story makes no sense because in the end if God is omnipotent and omniscient, why did he make us suffer in the first place for something he knew was going to happen BUT felt inclined to be ticked off at it any ways? If we are made in God's images, we should be smart. That means we shouldn't have needed to eat fruit from a tree.

The way this God reads, it doesn't seem like one I would ever want to put my faith in.

If God is truly benevolent and a part of us and we are in his image, why does he want us to 'submit' to anything? You still do not make any sense. Now you try to convert us because you can't come up with proof on Creationism.

 

Did you know that no ordinary human beings EVER get influenced by Satan at all?

On an Atheist point of view, it really does look like only the religious folk get affected by it. But that's just me.

 

Um, what?
I'm kind of confused by that Darky....
Sorry.

 

That sounded like you are saying Satan is a Christian disease. Rock on.

 

I would ask one question to the Evolution side, why are you all so persistant in telling people they are wrong and saying their relegion is fake, they belive in a relegion and you believe in a theory, can't you accept that without biting their heads off?

 

Well, they could pretty much say the same thing with the religion believers. So it actually goes around in circles, that's why this is in Debate Corner.

 

It sure does seem like you're saying that >_>
And if my understanding of the human dictionary is correct, submit means to "Give in completely", Which I wouldn't do to any person let alone a god who's going to send me to hell to burn forever for questioning it.

Oh Em Gee. That's all I have to say to that. Because if that's true then Satans' been with me all my life. And my life is pretty damn good so thanks Satan.

Ya know, if I was all knowing I doubt I would have given free will to a person who was gonna try to backstab me >_>

Because we at least have given proven evidence and quality links to support our claims.

The religious side however.....has not.

And another thing, what do all you people think of the tons of religions that were around before yours? What about the Greek Gods (which I find more facinating) who were worshiped for quite a while before the Romans came and changed things around (according to my teacher..though I have corrected her on a few matters so her facts may be incorrect). Lots of those religions had a nice big book that men wrote. Can't those be real gods too?

Can't someone come into this conversation and say that they believe in the Egyption gods and not in Jesus and still be allowed into heaven according to your bible. I bet you'd take that person down with your bible would you not? I think out of every person in this conversation who said they were religious and actually participated in this debate the longest, you're all religious nutjobs bound to the bible who were raised to learn nothing but it and don't have enough courage or mental strength to question things and try to learn what's real for yourselves.

Oh my, I'm very tired....I haven't slept in 3 days. If you excuse me I'm going to try to go to sleep after watcing a movie and finishing up this wonderful book by Edgar Allan Poe. Amazing author really. Right after him comes Dr. Suess <3

 

Actually, you seem to see only one side of the conversation, and I am not getting why you are even commenting since you care nothing for the conversation itself, but more the way people may be 'hurting each other'. Both sides have said things that were perhaps harsh, but that's what happens and I think we are mature enough to handle it. Be at peace and let us talk without having to have someone sit on the sidelines and tell us we're all bad. If you actually want to participate, do.

 

Hell was made for the devil and his 2 demons. Satin then made us sinners, meaning that we would go to hell for our sins.
So God sent Jesus down to die on the cross for you and every person in the world's sins. Jesus carried that cross while being wiped to death up a hill, they then hammered nails into both of his hands and feet, an he was crucified next to two robbers, one the left and one on the right, he had barley any cloths on Jesus was spited at, wipped, people threw stuff at him, he was mocked, had crown of thorns driven threw his head, and he had to deal with it for 9 hours! He could have plagued them all in a second!!!

But he didn’t because when he carried that cross, when he was tortured beyond belief, he died for you!!!! And not just for you, but for everyone in the world!!! Because he loves all life!!
All you have to do is believe in him, believe that God is real, and you will saved from the lake of fire. All you have to do is believe and say that you wished to be saved, that you are a sinner. That is all you have to do!!

John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

I'm with Religion. Alright!

 

Why did he HAVE to suffer? For an omnipotent being, he didn't do much.

Go to my thread in the Debate Corner to debate about salvation.

Also, I think that a change in thread name is in order. It should not be "Evolution vs. Religion". Many religious people accept evolution. It should be "Evolution vs. Creationism"

 

Thank you ever so much for the Cliff's Note's version of the Crucifixion. But really for what purpose did you condense 4 Gospels? That we all just fall on our knees yelling 'PRAISE BE THE LORD!'?

It's not likely to happen least where I stand. I'd rather put my origins back into some dusty old bones rather than the pages of a book written by men.

{ And yes I edited your post for spelling errors and such. }

 

You mean all those evolution hoaxs! Also the bible was written by men who wrote Gods words. Evolution was created by a man!!! not a man guided by God, but a man!!

 

Do you have PROOF that was written by men who wrote God's words?

 

They SAID they did so it MUST BE TRUE as is the case for pratically every aspect of the Bible. [/sarcasm]

And according to iPraise, if Satan managed to convince 1/3rd of God's angels to follow HIM (Satan), God must not have been all that satisfactory. (If paradise was perfect, why leave it?)

 

I agree. Either that or "Evolution vs. Intelligent Design". Although I've yet to hear from many people involved in this debate who are not Christian. I'd like to hear more from those of you who have other religious or spiritual beliefs.

Repliku, LOL! Satanism is a disease of Christianity! I couldn't agree more. I'm tired of the slave morality of the Judeo-Christian tradition that teaches us that suffering is the way to salvation when the salvation being sought is not to be found in this world, but the next! I much prefer the Buddhist interpretation of suffering, which allows us to also enjoy the pleasures of this life without feeling guilty about it!