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To be honest, I'm content just knowing that he gave it to her; its origin isn't really a big enough issue to touch upon (maybe in a minisode, but even that seems like a bit of a stretch to me). And besides, the TARDIS made him his current sonic, so who's to say he didn't just give it to her to rebuild? Maybe he added some minor touches, but it's entirely possible that he never did a thing to it.

 

I'm going to have to rewatch The Eleventh Hour and see if this follows. B| I just secretly want there to be hope for more River (even though Matt Smith leaving seems like a nail in the coffin for her...). I think she is going to be in the 50th, though?

Decent comparison image of the ones they sell, btw:



So they are quite similar.

 

The Doctor had to tweak it, he put the uh, the thing that held River's consciousness that allowed him to save her, yeah?[DOUBLEPOST=1370220956][/DOUBLEPOST]

I still think River has to show up once more at the 'only time' as Ten said, that he could or would give his name.

 

Maybe. It's entirely possible that the TARDIS rebuilt it to the exact specs of what he remembered -- after all, he has that telepathic link with the TARDIS, right? It's even mentioned in Journey's End when the Daleks are trying to burn her in their ship's zed-neutrino core. Plus, from what we've seen of Matt Smith's run (particularly in Series Six), he and the TARDIS are definitely connected, and after The Doctor's Wife, I'm willing to bet that she'd do it to help him out.

I might be reading into it too much, but it doesn't seem too farfetched.

 

That's true! Perhaps it will be the anniversary, then--when he's confronted with his 'greatest secret' (John Hurt).

 

If it is then this John Hurt secret must be pretty darn big. He'd been keeping his name a mystery centuries before where the John Hurt incarnation seems to have come in (between 8 and 9) And if it's so big that Ten could only think of ONE TIME he would ever have to, then this should be really, REALLY big.

Also River knew about and was worried when Trenzalore was mentioned in the conference call, so it's possible she herself was at the 'fall of the Eleventh'

 

I hate to be the pessimist, but I doubt this will be the case. For one, she hadn't seen Ten before their little rendezvous in the library -- she explicitly talks about having seen all of his "faces" minus Ten's, and in Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock, there are collectible pages from her diary that talk about visiting the first nine of Eleven's incarnations (see: Ctrl F + The Many Faces of River's Sweetie), but never Ten. Unless they wiped her mind, which would make no sense because then she'd forget his name as well, it isn't possible. Eleven just had to have told her at the towers. It makes the most sense when going through their convoluted timeline.

 

Good point. So not the 50th then, but maybe the Christmas Special. Ten said there was only one time he would or cluld ever tell anyone his name, so it must be some time of great crisis or need, so I doubt he told her on their last date..

 

Really? He wouldn't speak his real name to his soon to be deceased wife on their last date together? Maybe for Moffat's emotion-ruining purposes he'd tell her right before regenerating into his "last" form, but otherwise I see the last date name drop as being completely and utterly canon.



>:L

 

I have to side with Cat on this debate.

Spoiler

Isn't there another Eleven (or whatever) that tells the current Eleven that this is their last night?

^Not sure if I should have, but better safe than sorry.

Anyway, that's really why I think. She mentioned that thing as the last thing they did, so it makes sense that he says "you'll need this" and tells her his name and gives her the Sonic? idk

 

Yeeeah I imagine that's what Moffat might do, considering it's such an important moment and they didn't actually show the last date..


Relax Cat :c

 

Better safe than sorry is right (and he's referring to the Last Night minisode in case anyone's wondering).

And yeah, that's basically what I pictured. With tears welling up in his eyes, he whispers his name in her ear and as she's in shock, he pushes the sonic into her open palm and wraps her fingers around it.
okay, I'll stop writing the fanfic now...

Sorry if that came off a bit harsh. The past few weeks just haven't been too kind. ;-;

 

Don't stop cat! Knowing Moffat, I'm sure that's how it would happen xD

 

Of course, "there's only one time I could"- not 'would' but "could", doesn't that strike anyone else as odd? We know he doesn't give out his name willy nilly but doesn't the "could" suggest he was forced to? I don't really know what I'm trying to get at as I don't really know what to think but I do feel we've said goodbye to River, I wish it weren't so because I love her ;-; but the Doctor finally told her how much he loved her and that seems like a finality. However, it is possible that she has met future doctors isn't it?

 

I been staying out of here because i have not watch the last 3 episodes of season 7 yet but i just found this out :(
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57587336/matt-smith-leaving-lead-role-in-doctor-who/
My bowtie fez doctor ....

 

I just feel as though there are still so many unanswered questions in regards to her (like this one). And I should think, especially with the series 6 & 7 hype towards the Doctor's name (and its possible relevance in the 50th Anniversary and with John Hurt), him telling River would be at least addressed on screen. I can see not including their last date or him giving the screwdriver (and it's entirely possible River had the screwdriver long before the Library), but his name... it's so major.

Is Alex Kingston confirmed for the 50th? I feel as though I read she was but I can't recall. They may give her a send-off (or at least explain how she knows the Doctor's name) there.

 

THANK YOU ENZY. YES, COULD. NOT WOULD, COULD.

Okay here is my argument for this:

Spoiler

The Forest of the Dead
RIVER: Doctor, one day I'm going to be someone that you trust completely, but I can't wait for you to find that out. So I'm going to prove it to you. And I'm sorry. I'm really very sorry.
(River whispers in the Doctor's ear, and he looks stunned.)

later on,

RIVER: Funny thing is, this means you've always known how I was going to die. All the time we've been together, you knew I was coming here. The last time I saw you, the real you, the future you, I mean, you turned up on my doorstep, with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Darillium to see the Singing Towers. What a night that was. The Towers sang, and you cried.
RIVER: You wouldn't tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the library. You even gave me your screwdriver. That should have been a clue.

DOCTOR: River, you know my name.
DOCTOR: You whispered my name in my ear.
DOCTOR: There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could.

ONE REASON. One time, one precise, specific event that Ten knew about, long before he knew he'd marry River, and miss her. Also, River apologized for knowing his name, and in her detailed account of their last date, she says the giving of the sonic should have been a clue. If he'd told her his name THAT should've been the biggest clue of them all.

The Name of the Doctor
RIVER: Well, I know it.
CLARA: What, you know his name? He told you?
RIVER: I made him.
CLARA: How?
RIVER: It took a while.

DOCTOR: Trenzalore. I've heard the name, of course. Dorium mentioned it. A few others. Always suspected what it was, never wanted to find out myself. River would know, though. River always knew.

Now this bit, I don't know if it's reading into the text too much, but this gives me the impression that River knows all about Trenzalore's importance: the concern on her face when Vastra said 'Trenzalore', how her 'grave' was the secret entrance, and from that I'd infer she was there when it happened.
And of course, (now this bit's almost just speculation on my part but):

The Wedding of River Song
DORIUM: On the Fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely, or fail to answer, a question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered

Now I'd assume the whole business of Eleven's arc being encompassed by 'The Pandorica Will Open/Silence Will Fall' should be addressed before Eleven regenerates, so who blew up the TARDIS and cracked the universe, who and why are the Silence, and who asks the question, ought to have some answers this Christmas.

 

I really hope this is the case, there has to be something else to answer these questions and hopefully the 50th and the Christmas special will provide such answers but I'm sure the story will continue into the 12th, it'll be a "new beginning" as Moffat said in regards to the 50th. I didn't realise how new, with a new Doctor and all. There are probably even questions we haven't asked that will be answered but I'm expected a well rounded off series.

 

If I remember correctly, it was stated that the former, at the very least, would be addressed in the 50th.
I would hope that we'd at least get some sort of clarification (nearly typed that as "clara-fication") in regards to the latter but it seems a bit late to bring it up again, mostly since it seemed to be plot-specific to S6.