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  1. What? 『 music is freedom 』

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    Self-defense violence is justified. If the animal attacks you first, you will be able to kill it. If you are reluctant to kill any animal, however, then you may just hide. It is better than using violence, but the animal has a better chance of killing you than you do it. If you ever take a walk in a deep forest with wild animals that are known to kill humans on sight unprovoked, then I recommend you bring a knife.
     
  2. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    I agree, however killing animals in self-defense, or for any purpose is considered wrong.
     
  3. S m i l e s <3 Destiny Islands Resident

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    Thing is an animal would never just randomly try and kill you. Trust me.
    They'd have to feel threatened first. And therefore it has a reason to be attacking you.
    Killing is never justifiable when it comes to animals.
     
  4. Princess Snow White I feel such an isomniac.

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    If an animal attacks you first and you killed it right there, then that's self defense.
    If you provoke an animal and then kill it, then that's another story.
     
  5. Repliku Chaser

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    That is not always true. Animals at certain times of the year can be much more aggressive than normal, trying to scare off animals or people that go in their domains. Especially during mating seasons because they are in competition with each other and well, the males are extremely hormonal. Big herd animals like cows, buffalo, deer, caribou, elephants, etc can be very volatile at times. Other times they are just fine.

    Some animals attack humans to eat them. We are not always on the top of the food chain as we like to think we are. Also, some animals stroll into human areas and may be rather violent if hungry, whether we are on the menu or not. Bears, coyote, wild dogs, wolves, cougars, tigers, lions, alligators, komodo dragons when in their areas, etc have all gone into human areas to get food, smaller animals, or to find small humans. We can also roam in their territories and learn how rough it can be. Some smaller animals like vampire bats can even be a problem as they get into people's tents and bite them. There's an epidemic of rabies possibly going on in Venezuela now because of that.

    Some animals won't actively seek us out or go 'territorial' and do get 'surprised' by humans, sure. However, if you are being -attacked- by an animal and cannot scare it off, climb up a tree, step back slowly and get away from it, well...it's going to go after you. We can't help it if accidentally we step near a rattle snake. If I can avoid it and step back, I will, but if it's attacking me, I am going to stop it. If I get bit, I am going to try to kill it so I can verify to doctors what bit me. That's how it goes. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way ever to enrage an animal, but if I have to fight for survival and there's no way out, then I'm going down fighting or that animal is. Nature is not all as lovey dovey as some people here are painting it. I love nature and love going in the woods and nature seeing etc, but the fact is that it's not just always peaceful. I will feel bad if I had to kill something that obviously I probably am not going to eat, but eh, I'm not going to feel that I was wrong for it either as it is out of protection. I wouldn't feel guilty if a person tried to kill me and I ended up killing him or her. They made the stakes when they decided to -kill- me. It's the rules of life.
     
  6. ArchVice Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Wow! Tough question. I think you would be justified in killing an animal that attacked you unprovoked. With the exeption of a select few, most people would agree. Coyotes have been known to wonder down from hills and canyons and attack unsuspecting people. True enough that it is not their intention do so, but it does happen.
     
  7. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    Yes, of course. Religious factors don't apply to our secular rights at all.
     
  8. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    Self Defensive killing is wrong in every way possible. Using aggression to escape is different.
     
  9. Xephos Neko, gamer, animelover, and artist :3 *purrs*

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    For my point of view, if you are truly in danger, then you must fight back. Killing is an emergency option. Not like you see an animal charging at you and then there are a lot of options to do instead of killing and then you just choose killing. That's not right. You need to think. Think before you act. What you may do is what could go against you.
     
  10. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    Anybody would fight back an animal who attacked them, I see everybody's point about that, I am not going against. Defining the word "Killing," is wrong,but you can still use aggression either way.Thinking about what your options should be is a good quality to have.
     
  11. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    I'd like to see you have the time to think through all your options and the possible consequences such as whether it is morally right or wrong when there is a large animal with very sharp teeth and millions of years of evolution which have honed it into a very effective killing machine. In that situation the base instincts take over and you try to survive any way that you can. It is you or them. I would personally kill the animal rather than let it kill me. Wouldn't you?
     
  12. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    Well, if you actually HAD to do it, then you would do it of course. I understand the fact of killing. It's best to avoid it though. That's basically my point.
     
  13. ArchVice Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Let me say this. I spent three years as a certified meat cutter. One of those years at a slaughter house. The killing of animals for food is much more gruesome than killing an animal in self-defense. Do you mean to say that both of these are wrong? I beg to differ. I believe that both of these instances of killing are most certainly justified. The rest is simply matter of opinion.
     
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    F*** yes.
    I'm sure it's been said(Don't feel like going through the topic right now), but it's survival of the fittest, baby.
    If you have a gun in your hand, and a lion inches away from making you it's rag doll, all morals go -whoosh- right out the window.
     
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    I never thought I would say this, but I agree.
     
  16. Repliku Chaser

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    In one sense you are right. To think ahead and get it in your head about what to do should an animal that is a potential threat be stumbled upon is smart. It may help you when that survival instinct does come in. However, the animals that would actually be threats to us that would actually 'chase' or 'hunt' us are also animals that are a helluva lot stronger and faster than humans. A lion, cougar, leopard, bear, buck in rut, pack of wolves, coyotes etc, are not so easy to deter. You might be able to intimidate one animal if you are lucky by hollering and standing ground, but some of these animals are also the kind that are sneaky and pounce at prey. Also, some hunt in packs and when they are hungry, you aren't shaking them. Some of these animals also climb trees. Some will actually pursue a person being chased into his/her home. Some animals will go after kids or pets as food.

    Having prepared yourself ahead of time is great for when the adrenaline kicks in and you have to act/think fast. However, one of those things you are not going to be thinking about is how much you think wolves are freaking awesome and you don't want to kill them because that's morally wrong. Morals are out the window. You are going to want to fight or take flight because that's natural. It's instinct mode. If you are against a wall or trapped by an animal that has set its eyes on killing you, what are you going to do in all seriousness? You can't run, you can't hide. It's got you trapped. What are you going to do if intimidation fails?
     
  17. The Fifth Element Traverse Town Homebody

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    ^ Quoted for truth
     
  18. Fellangel Bichael May

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    Killing is NO right unless in a life-or-death or kill-or be-killed situations. Killing is evil unless it's used against you.
     
  19. Nova We left a scar size extra-large.

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    Honestlly, I don't think any1 has reason to kill no matter what, but... I guess you'd have to stop something if it's trying to kill you, just try not to kill it or permanantly wound it to where it would die worse x.x
    Just try not to kill things...
    But... i do kinda... agree with this a little... i feel so guilty X.x
     
  20. ArchVice Gummi Ship Junkie

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    According to the law of the land you do have the right to do so.