Kingdom Hearts II Do Nobodies Bleed?

What the question asks? Can they? I've been debating this with myself lately, and I'm curious at to what others had to say. In KH, we never see them bleed, though I think is because of the ratings.

Think of it this way: How come Roxas and Axel eat sea-salt ice cream if they're made of 'nothing'?
- Also, in the novel (written), when Saïx critically hurts Axel the translation goes as his ribs, RIBS, hurt, is in pain, or something along those lines.

This just makes things more confusing. I mean, if they can have the ability to think, and you need a brain to that, to breathe, you need lungs, to eat, you need a stomach, to walk, you need bones. I don't know how those things can come into fruition without blood, where is perhaps the most necessary part of the body as it drives everything. The humanoid Nobodies wouldn't have been able to live.

Now, the much lower Nobobies, are easy to throw because their bodies bend and move in unusual ways, like if they have no bones, and have no sense of will of their own or mind, being used as drones of the higher species (Org.), and just thrive on desire. They can be controlled. They're more like creatures, than the Nobodies like Axel.... the whole Org. XIII is basically special, since they were born with powers and abilities, and a human form.

And about the heart, you're talking about pink glowing ones that rise up to gather in a heart-shaped moon. If you think a person needs the pumping of red liquid from that pinkish surreal heart, then I'm sure there can blood. I think the whole "heart" is more metaphorical than it being the actual organ. I mean, what came out of Sora was a starry, shining thing, along with all the Princesses Of Heart in KH1.

Or simply, is Nomura full of contradicitons?

 

I don't think they can bleed. Because the Organization members faded into darkness when they were defeated. I don't know. Just wait for Repliku to find this, I agreed with what he said in a similar topic.

But I do agree with you about the metaphorical hearts thing. If they didn't have real hearts, it just wouldn't make sense.

 

I say they would. This is a great topic, by the way. I think Noruma over-exaggerates when in the game is stated that they are "made of nothing." If they aren't, then how come when you see the Organization Members (not to mention when you play as Roxas) that you see them breathing? Plus, you would have[I/] to have bones to move and go in any postition you desire. Adding on, you wouldn't have had to defeat them, meaning you would only hit them once and they would...well, disappear.

Saying they have no hearts would mean they would have bled, which you don't see, of course, but this would have had to do (as *TwilightNight* mentioned) the ratings of the people who play KHII. Especially counting kids younger than "E10" actually play KH and KHII, and those that age who played CoM would have read Axel's word "hell." So, they could have bled if this was in "real life," while only in the game they disappear into who-knows-where.

As well (sorry, I know I'm a blabber-mouth) as counting eating sea-salt ice cream, they wouldn't have been able to eat it without bones or any other sickening insides I don't even want to mention. And when the characters in KHII and CoM say "Nobodies have no hearts. They have no emotions; they only pretend to" it all seems too real. They look so hurt as though it actually did hurt them. I don't exactly believe that Nobodies don't[I/] have hearts considering the emotion of showing them in the flesh. (Take Roxas as an example; he cries while in his Organization costume.)

Okay, I'm done now.

 

Nobodies are half-humans. All they have is a moving talking body. No emotions, no spiritual inner-being. So yeah they can bleed.

*EDIT*: Y'know what, i think that they are sprititual inner-beings of people, just in physical appearance.

 

I believe that a heart bleeds,even imaginary ones.

A heart has a spirit and soul originating from its owner,and thus beats with life from it's onset.Blood simply signifies the life of its being,thus real or imaginary it still has blood.It lives in our minds so I can't see how we might see it any other way.


But,I've been proven wrong before.

 

Interesting when you think about it. In a sense I would say they bleed, but if they're made of nothing, couldn't they bleed shadows and darkness? Nobodies could be different from regular humans, they can be 'nothing' or 'something' else, like of an ethereal sort.

 

Well, this is a little confusing. I think that they can bleed. If they can eat and breath (Organization 13 in this case) they need blood to do that. But if they have blood, they need a heart and they don't have one. Maybe they have a fake heart that make the normal body's functions, but not a heart to feel. I agree that the whole "heart" is more metaphorical that it being the actual organ.

 

That's a good way of putting it. I agree with you on that.

They probably do have the organ of the actual heart, but Noruma probably meant for the "heart" that shows emotions. They are able to eat, consider the sea-salt ice cream for a simple and obvious example. Axel and Roxas (especially Roxas) eat them almost literally all the time. And the Organization Members are able to think and plan, which uses the brain itself.

 

Since they're essentially living corpses, they probably can bleed, though that isn't necessarily a fact. Truthfully, it isn't known. But even if they can bleed, I don't see how that relates to the plot.

 

Nope! its a kids game =P

 

I'm actually surprised that no one had countered anything on disagreement on why they can't bleed. I would have thought that people will think more for the other, than that they can actually have the liquid. I also do think they can bleed, but they can never be any prove, but a guess.

So when they fade, whatever is inside them fades with them?

 

No they don't
They are nothings
And nothings have no blood
They're souls

Nobodies don't bleed

 

I do not believe the Nobodies can bleed, considering they are made up of mostly Darkness or Nothingness whatever and some connecting element, and that their real bodies were devoured by Darkness when they were made. That's why they dissipate to Darkness after you wound them enough. There's nothing saying they have their original bodies and in fact it seems to be that their bodies are made from Darkness and an element and their memories. Their bodies are also not exact copies of their former selves, so I do not think they bleed or age or require food as the manga put in.

 

I don't think they can bleed.

 

It's all very complex, I'm sure Nomura isn't quite positive on it either. He needs to be asked xD.

Anyway, I think they can bleed. The game shows them breathing, like after Roxas fights Axel and he's breathing heavily ("Let's meet again, in the next life."
). So their bodies function like a 'somebody's', and like Twilight mentioned, they eat and such. I also see emotion through one's heart as a symbolic gesture. It's a state of mind. The actual heart is a blood-pumping organ and is necessary for life.

Plus, Nobodies are what's left after one's 'heart' and soul are gone. The heart goes to Kingdom Hearts, and the soul just leaves (Heaven, Hell, non-existance, whatever you believe). If your 'conscience' and your capability to feel emotion are gone, you are a Nobody. And plus, when the soul leaves, I think it's natural for the body to alter slightly. Because your soul defines who you are. Without it, your vessel isn't you anymore. So it's automatic that what you leave behind will only be like you instead of the full-blown 'you'.

That's what I think, take it or leave it :D.

 

Umm, to above poster, it is stated that nobodies are body and soul, just no heart


For the topic, i pretty much think it depends... i agree that they are not their actual bodies, but rather darkness/nothingness/whatever formed in the shape they remember themselves to have... So they propably are capable of eating/breathing/sleeping because tehy remember themselves doing it, but dont actually have to.
So accorrding to that, they propably would bleed if they thought of it, but i dont think that they take time in a battle to think about how they should bleed, so they propably dont

 

No! Nobodies pretend to have feelings, meaning that they pretend to bleed. They only release some kind of dust that looks like blood but, it isn't.

 

I thought they only said they don't have hearts, but Roxas and Namine may have ones? Umm...well I think that they just don't have emotinal feelings. But I don't we'll ever know, kingdom hearts hasn't dished out any blood yet.

 

Axel, Roxas and Namine have somekind of a close thing to a heart, in other words... they have somekind of a realistic heart feeling that lets them express their emotions.

 

they are made of nothingness not flesh and bone