Kingdom Hearts II Do Nobodies Age?

Well...do they? I'm unsure if we've had evidence or not. I mean we've seen roxas as a 14 year old and then as a 15 year old ...but thats stupid to say because you dont really look different from that time period...all im wondering is, if nobodies DONT age, its quite possible that they could have been around during the time period of Birth By Sleep...some of them might know things. Im not necessarily talking about 0rg 13, there might be other nobodies who take human form out there still wandering around...afterall, there are some nobodies out there who dont have controllers like creepers or even the twilight thorn...

Finally if they were around in birth by sleep, that means they knew about the keyblade (its very likely at least) and if they knew about the keyblade why didnt they jump when they saw a nobody weilding one (roxas) and why werent they prepared to face a keyblade weilder (sora)

I think that they were around...
xigbar hints that hes seen stronger weilders...and calls sora a dud.

 

Good question. I'm curious to know this as well.

In my mind, I pretend that Nobodies are essentially dead beings. They have no hearts, and other than the scene with Axel and Roxas sharing ice cream in KH II: FM, they don't exhibit any other bodily actions that one would do if they were alive. I tend to imagine that for some of the Nobodies, this is their "next life", like heaven or hell or something.

In that sense, if they are truly "dead", they most likely can't age either. Axel, for example, looks to be in his twenties but could really be much older because maybe he "died" in his twenties before becoming a Nobody.

 

The only reason Roxas is the same age as Sora, is that it was the age that Sora lost his heart and created his Nobody---Roxas.
I guess they're the same age as their original selves.

 

Yes they do age. Namine in CoM looked like a 9 year old (even though she was 14) in KH2 she looked a like a 12 year old (even though she was 15). So, she did age, so nobodies age.

 

Well it’s hard to tell. The only human form nobodies we are given decent info on are the apprentices and Roxas. Roxas wasn’t seen for long enough to make a judgment, and who knows how long the apprentices have been around. After all KH1 started when Xehanort’s heartless starting acting up. But they died after being with Ansem the Wise for a little while. So all we know on them was that they died in the recent past before KH1. Even that being said we don't have anything allowing us to compare them over those 3+ years. The only young looking Org members are Axel, Larxene, Demyx, and Zexion (in my opinion anyway), and of those only Zexion was an apprentice and he was the youngest one so it's still very possible that he aged.

Logic asside my gut tells me they don't age.

 

This is something that would seem natural to believe that they age with there other, but I'm under the impression that they remain the age of when it is they lose their heart.

In Roxas and Namine's case, they were nobodies for a little over a year. It usually takes a little more than a year to have someone drastically change in body structure.

 

Exactly, but we did see slight changes, the trained eye can pick them up. I didn't want to do this but...

*Points at Namine's breast in KH2*

She did not have those in Re:CoM!

 

COM = Nintendo
KH2 = Sony

tis possible that Nintendo didn't really WANT to go down that road, but another thing to notice is the subtle change in hair from COM to KH2 for Namine.

EDIT:

I've not watched any cutscenes for RE:COM so I can't say anything about that game :)

 

I was talking about Re:CoM... which is on playstation.

Kairi did the same thing... look at KH1 Kairi, then KH2 Kairi... there is no comparison.

Although Namine is to a lessor extent... she did change as well.

 

I always thought that a nobody doesnt age unless their somebody is still alive and the reason Roxas ages is because Sora's still alive (same goes for Namine and Kairi)

 

In order for that to be true... we first have to see the other nobodies not age.

We can scientifically prove that Namine ages. It seems as if Roxas ages.

But there is no proof of org members either aging or not aging. We can probably assume that they are no different than the nobodies we already know age.

 

I don't think so... I'd like to think so, but I don't.

Mainly because of Zexion. Leon said that it'd been 9 years since they'd left Hollow Bastion. We can assume Ansem's apprentices turning into Nobodies happened about the same time Xehanort's Heartless took over and Hollow Bastion got overrun with Heartless. (That is what happened, right?)

So, how old was Zexion when he died? 16, 17? I'll say 16.

16-9=7

So, if Nobodies age, Ienzo (Zexion's other) would have to have been 7 years old when he was Ansem's apprentice for Zexion to be 16 in CoM.

I guess it's possible for one of Ansem's apprentices to only have been 7 years old, but very unlikely, don't you think?


Namine and Roxas probably age, though. I don't know exactly why (I've heard a few different reasons, and given the lack of confirmed facts about this subject and the various interpretations of the evidence, they all seem plausible), but I think they do.

Here's Namine in Re:CoM compared with Namine in KH2.
Just to be sure, here's a picture of Namine in Re:CoM.
Here's a picture of her in KH2.

...I see differences. True, the graphics of Re:CoM are slightly different than the graphics of KH2, but:

...Pretty much, yeah.


Also, if Roxas is younger than Sora, shouldn't he have been shorter? If Sora were standing straight, they'd be the same height.

If Namine aged, it would be weird if Roxas didn't, since they were both born under almost exactly the same circumstances.


However, it was said many times throughout KH2 that Roxas and Namine were "special" Nobodies. Maybe that means they could also age. I'm willing to attribute it to that.



...It's also hinted Xemnas was a "special" Nobody. And, to me, he looked older than Xehanort. Apparently, he's also taller. (But I lost the picture that showed that... It compared Xehanort with Xemnas with Terra in armor.) But, whatever.

 

Ansem seems quite suprised that Oniezo whom he thought was so young and innocent betrayed him.

A seven year old could be an appretice. Why couldn't he be?

You have theories but no proof. Wheras Namine, Xemnas, and Roxas prove they do age.

We got a maybe backed up with evidence, you got a maybe backed up with nothing. Saying that they only age because they are special is a cop out at best.

Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive, but I need to see proof to change my mind.

 

There is plenty of proof to say that the Org members and Nobodies do not age physically. For one, their bodies aren't their 'true' bodies but are forged from an element and Darkness as well as the memories they have of their former selves.

Also, it is clear that Xehanort did not change a bit in age from his transformation. Also, Zexion is the big one that physically did not alter. We can't really use Larxene or Marluxia to prove anything since it seems both came to join the Org in its last year or two. Roxas and Namine both did to me look a bit smaller in ways to Sora and Kairi but not by much. Roxas I think is a unique case though and I believe he is what remains of Ven, since he looks exactly like him. I don't think he would look so different since Ven is apparently 15 in BBS. As for Namine, she did to me seem smaller and less 'developed' than Kairi so I think she can be somewhat an example.

I'm pretty sure though Zexion was not 7 years old when he was taken in by Ansem the Wise. He wouldn't have been so smart. Even geniuses at 7 years old aren't doing the things Ienzo was capable of and I seriously doubt anyone would take a 7 year old's opinion as seriously as Ansem did when Ienzo was said in the past to have argued the point of continuing the research. It shows some proof that Ienzo had to be older. 16 or 17 seems about the right age for a boy genius prodigy to be making some ground discoveries and yet needing a tutor to learn more.

 

Nobodies are the same age as their Somebody's.

 

he was proposing an idea, taking both sides of the issue.

 

He also seemed surprised his apprentices, people he trusted, betrayed him at all. He didn't single out Ienzo except to say who inspired him to build the lab.

He could be. It's just difficult for me to believe Ansem would trust an unexperienced 7-year-old not to get hurt performing dangerous experiments.

I realize that.

Xemnas, it's still debatable.

I realize that. Was only stating why it's hard for me to believe that all Nobodies age.

I see a theme here: Roxas, Namine, and most likely Xemnas all age. But Roxas, Namine, and Xemnas are all the "special" Nobodies. (Whatever that means.) There's no evidence the other 11 (now 12) Nobodies age, and they aren't "special" (as far as we know). So, which conclusion is easier to jump to? "All Nobodies age" or "all 'special' Nobodies age"?

I understand.

How's this clear?

We don't actually know that for sure....

Was that scene with Xigbar and Zexion dated? I've always wanted to know when that conversation actually took place.....

We don't know exactly how smart he was, we don't know what he did, we don't know what he was capable of. All we know is that he inspired AtW to build the lab. That's it.

Would you take that same 7-year-old seriously if he had previously proved himself to be wiser/more clever/more creative/faster/whatever/all of the above than your other, much older apprentices? He couldn't have been more intelligent, he just wasn't old enough, but there are other reasons to take someone seriously and other reasons for Ansem to have accepted someone as his apprentice.

Also, we don't know how serious Ansem took Ienzo.

That's the only time when anyone singled out Ienzo for anything. =/ That does not say anything about Ienzo's argumentative skills, nor about how much Ansem valued Ienzo's opinion.

Why 16 or 17? Why not older or younger? Why not 7?

I knew an 8-year-old doing high school work IRL.
What if Ienzo was, I dunno, amazingly good at some subject, like science or math or something? Good enough to be on the same level as Ansem's other apprentices, or at least close to it? But he's certainly young enough to need a tutor. What then? Is that possible?

 

I have never thought about it that way. I don't think they age actually when you put it like that, especially with the Xigbar hint about seeing other wielders.

Although, he may have just done his research...

 

Well, this is basically why I think the Nobodies don't age, besides the fact they don't even have their original bodies anymore. These bodies are composed of the strength of their former Hearts and the memories they carry with them. It's what separates a higher Nobody like the Org members versus a lower Nobody that had a weaker Heart and lost much when they fell to Darkness. Note, Nobodies don't even bleed or anything but exude Darkness when damaged bad enough because the Body is partially composed of that. Does a pseudo body of Darkness and some element, and also a person's memories age? I doubt it. It wouldn't make much sense since the whole reason they have the form and it isn't an exact duplicate of the former body they owned is because of the power of heart and memories carried over from the loss of that heart.

KH history has it that Hollow Bastion/Radiant Gardens fell one year after BBS completes apparently, which would be 9 years ago by Ansem's account, as well as Aerith's account in the library in KH..or Leon's. One of those two told Sora that Hollow Bastion fell 9 years ago and that Maleficent took over and spread Darkness about. So...if Xehanort didn't age in 10 years, that is kind of amazing as he looks just like the portrait in Ansem's office. Exactly the same age.

Also, an 8 year old doing high school work is not someone who has the knowledge it is clear Ienzo did. Ienzo would by accounts probably have had college under his belt by quite a few years. Therefore, he probably was 8 when he cleared high school but what about all of his intellect to talk Ansem into building a lab for research and he was one of the top scientists doing the work despite his age? That seems to reflect he has some credentials far more than high school education is going to permit. I've never even heard of a 7 year old having a Master's Degree and for as brilliant as Ienzo apparently was, I'm pretty sure he'd have had to be around that level of education. 16 or 17 would put him at the age that would allow him to have these credentials of being called a scientist legitimately.

Yes, the scene in KH2:FM is dated around 2 years ago, possibly around a year before KH for Marluxia and a bit later for Larxene. I'm pretty sure any way. So there would really be no way of proving their aging or not because we also do not have any information of history on any of the bottom org members below the original 6.

So, in the end, all we can really point at for any serious proof is Xehanort/Xemnas and Zexion/Ienzo. Xigbar also when we see BBC and Vexen may also be in BBC under their true identities as Braig and Even. If we see them there and they don't look too different, that will show more proof since the Nobodies were created maybe a year after BBS. I suspect Vexen may be in BBS to some degree since Ansem says that he had a lot of interest in Xehanort and continuing the studies. Xigbar, Nomura said in an interview had knowledge of the Keybladers and has some history so apparently it seems likely we will learn more about him either in BBS or an upcoming KH after that, or perhaps 358/2 Days, though less likely.

 

:guns:

Kingdom hearts is not Sony nor nintendo. Kingdom hearts is Square.

The systems they were on make no difference. Nintendo has gory games, and I doubt in a game with Vexen in it, they would edit out Namine's uh... things.