Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

Oh.. Come ON!
I just thought the same thing, that keyblades were made from souls or hearts.

 

You mean something like the evil guy sounds good to trick Sora? I kinda doubt it but it's a thought. The voice, as Kanji said, sounded sincere, not like it had a hidden agenda. Though I guess it would be easy enough to lie

carcrazy, it doesn't matter if they come up with it first. You could have more evidence

 

God dang, stop thinking the same thing as me! You're freaking me out!

It would explain why they're so effective on the Heartless, wouldn't it?

 

To you what was the significance of showing Mickey at the end? I really don't think it meant anything.

 

This is exactly what I was communicating in my explanation of the cutscene. Good job identifying some of the symbols :). If our accusations are correct, then this leads me to believe that Xehanort (because his name means "one without a heart) was a nobody. Remember, anyone with an X in their name is a nobody. But this raises several questions: Can nothing be born from nothing? Ahh yes, I see. The password is indeed Another. The screen looked a little blurry, so I couldn't read it correctly :D. I wonder what this means...Another...another what...another form of evil...? Hmm...this is a little tricky...

This also leads me to believe that Xehanort was involved in the keyblade war. For all we know, Xehanort might have been Ven! To prove this statement, look at the title of the cutsscene: "An Old Friend." Xemnas must have retrieved the memories of Xehanort and refered to Aqua as an old friend, as if they were commrades at one point in time. This all makes sense, seeing how Nomura said that Terra and Aqua gave him the nick-name Ven, because his real name was too long. I don't know why Terra and Aqua would give him the name Ven, but it does make sense. Who wants to say Xehanort all the time?

As several have said, everthing in Kingdom Hearts has meaning. Personally, I believe that Nomura used Mickey for 3 reasons:
1) To show the audience that Mickey witnessed the battle.
2) Maybe Mickey will have to fight this evil as well.
3) Perhaps the knights know that they are going to lose this fight, and that they need Mickey to deliver the three keyblades to different wielders.

Just a few thoughts.

 

That third one got my attention. And I know Sora is gonna be in the next one because Nomura said that KH is still Sora's story so that kind of implies he's still gonna be in it. And what I find interesting is they decided to only show one returning character which was Mickey.

 

Mickey could be out there for countless reasons.
1. To signify that this only happened at a different time, not a different universe
2. To show that the events happened recently or will happen soon (judging by about 20 years or so)
3. To also give the hint that this happens in the future (If I'm correct, Mickey didn't wield a keyblade until after he left the note for Donald and Goofy [Mickey wouldn't send D and G unless Mickey knew he could take hold of one])

And the Xehanort name to Ven thing. The top half of the X looks like a V, his next letter is E, but where N came in, I don't know

 

Umm...The keyblade war happened 10 years in the PAST. If you look at some cutscenes involving the organization meetings (I don't remember which ones exactly), you hear a member say "It's been 10 years since a keyblader like this one." The member was talking about Sora following in the foot steps of the three knights.

And if i'm correct, Mickey sent Donald and Goofy just to find a keyblade wielder. Mickey never said that he needs a keyblade. It's obvious that the events in the secret trailer happened in the past. If you saw what Mickey had in his hand during the secret trailer, you would notice the "Star Seeker" keyblade. Remember, Yen Sid gave the same keyblade to Sora during KHII. This probably means that Mickey had a keyblade long before he met Yen Sid and before the keyblade war. Later, i'm sure Mickey got his "Darkside" keyblade from Aqua. I'm saying this, because Aqua picks up this key during the first secret trailer.

In regards to Xehanort being Ven, i'm not sure, but the "n" comes from the h; just take off the top half of it. With the additions of your letters, it does spell Ven. Although this does work, I doubt that it is merely the cutting of letters.

Actually, Nomura said that Kingdom Hearts wouldn't be what it is if Sora weren't in it. What he ment is that the new series (because he said it won't be called Kingdom Hearts III) will still have Sora, but not as the main character. The new series is said to tell the story of the keyblade war and how Mickey obtained a keyblade. Nomura was just trying to say that Sora will always be involved, but this will be a prequel to kingdom hearts.

And in regards of what time period the secret trailer took place in, it is definetely in the past, for reasons I previously stated. The room that holds Aqua in captivity indicates that this happened in the past. In addition, the quote "a sealed tale of truth" indicates that this happened in the past and was sealed away. Personally, I believe that this story was obviously sealed away in Xehanort's memories. This is where the cutscene "An Old Friend" is tied in. The word "old" indicates that the keyblade war was a previous event and that Aqua was connected to Xehanort's past. With all this said, the events in the trailer are from the past, due to the events being know as "MEMORIES." You can't have memories of something that hasn't happened yet.

 

Stupid theory alert!!!!
Could Xemnas be that little kid in the secret ending that gets pwned?

 

Well I don't speak or understand Japanese so I have no clue what they are talking about in that room.

You mean Ven?

 

My question still hasn't been answered : if Xehanort was a Nobody in the first place, how can he have produced a Heartless ? What is Xehanort's Heartless, if it's not a heart drowned in darkness ?

And come on...Ven being Xehanort ? How can you possibly back that up ? Terra looks a lot more like Xehanort than Ven does, and he apparently was also a friend of Aqua's. This whole modification of the name seems too complicated : can you really imagine a dialogue explaining that in the game ?

 

I ALREADY backed up how Ven could be Xehanort. We know that Terra isn't Xehanort, because Terra is still alive and he cursed his name during the secret fight with Sora. If you grett a person with "old friend," you're indicating that you knew the person in the past. If Ven and Terra were the only friends that Aqua had, and we already know that it's not Terra, then it HAS to be Ven.

If you want to go into looks, notice Ven's hair color after he gets frozen; it's white. Maybe his hair color stayed like this and he grew it out. On the other hand, maybe the change of look is a result of going into the darkness. For example, Riku lost his original form when he bacame a slave to the darkness, so maybe the same thing happened to Ven. You might be saying "Ven doesn't go into Darkness!" If you ask this, you're forgetting something: when the bald-headed man ascended into what I believe is Kingdom Hearts, he unleashed darkness. This is indicated by Terra's eye color shifting from a light blue to a dark yellow.

Is that enough "back up" for you?

 

Can someone give me a recap of whats happened this week? I've been off a while:P

 

Bah, that seems way too hard to believe. There's a better chance of Xehanort being the one that Terra chose than Ven being Xehanort.

Xehanort calling Aquas armor 'and old friend' suggests that Xehanort is Terra almost 100%. That plus all the above, I agree with and that adds to it.

 

Wow I'm stupid! Yeah I mean Ven. Ha I forgot his name for a second. Wow!
Well I think he said something about her being an old friend so it is somewhat possible.

 

that is a good point i was thinkin why he`s eyes changin;)

 

it does actually it`s a flower keychain

Thus is my theroy, I HAVE Been researching since when i bit the game which was everyday since im a kh freak and yes im a girl so here is what i got
Takes breath*

1. theroy:This is all in the past if they are New characters they could be like Sora,Riku and Kairi anseters.At first i thoguth that Terra(right the brown hair one?? well w.e) was Sora`s father because, in kh they you never heard Sora`s dad only the mother, and at first i thought that Aqua was Riku`s mom due to teh look a lie but hey, then i thought that was Ven( i dont know if that is Roxas look a like) was Sora`s brother but this threoy i know is wrong><

2. theory i think that baldy is Xernouat the reason he is alive is because Riku let him out and his soul was able to reform himslef somethign like that and then as time grew so did him adn his strength, and then he became the ultma keyblade master,and the chasers are trying to prevent him from taking over kingdom hearts again, and the spiderman dude i think that is Xeronauts half, im not sure, and also i think that Kingdom Hearts was complete.

3 theory: Sora dreams of the war that was happening and then later on he gets teh letter that contains info about tthe war, and later on he may have to go into darkness to prevent the war, but Ven tells him that he can choose his own path, and then he becomes one of the chasers.
soME OF THAT STUFF IS TRUE

i have more theories but right now im sleeping so nya

 

This is why I believe that Ven is Xehanort: If you look at some of the portraits of Xehanort, he seems quite old, much older than when Ansem the Wise first met him. Remember that Xehanort experimented with the heart. As we all know, Riku's appearance changed when the heart absorbing device created by Ansem the Wise exploded. Maybe Xehanort (when he still looked like Ven) lost his original look to a similar event, such as when he was experimenting with his own heart. This just might be the reason.

Having Ven be Xehanort is unexpected, which is also why I stand firm on my theory. If you guys don't believe, fine, I honestly don't care what anyone thinks about it, but I still believe it to be true. Only time will tell, but we will see who has the last laugh.

By the way, the person that called Aqua's armor "old friend" was Xemnas, not Xehanort.

And as for Terra being the Xehanort, bah, that is ******ed. If Terra fights Sora around the same time the cutscene occurs, this puts him in two different places, which as we all know is improbable. Terra can't be Xehanort, because he yells Xehanort several times, as if he was angry with him. They call Terra "master Xehanort's avenger," so how the hell can he avenge himself? Ven being Xehanort is kinda iffy, but I can GUARANTEE that Terra is NOT Xehanort.

 

Out of curiosity...

How did you know the names were Ven, Aqua and Terra?