Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

We'll your hanyer.....pence......olette! eye theroy is intersting. Notice also how Not all of the organization 13 sims have green eyes. Xemnas had orange.Xaldin and Saixs' eyes are yellowish
EDIT: i dotn know how to double quote so Higherbieng using light and darkness is dawn accoriding to Riku and twilight according to DIZ. And ntice how even when riku got the darkness how of him he could still use DARK aura and DARK shield

 

You have to mark a post using the button between the quote reply and quick reply. It's like a little piece of paper. *shrug* Anyway:

Because Riku could use both... yellow-blue eyes make green eyes... >.>

 

I'm not the one who nicknamed me "Theory Guru"...

Aqua most likely came from the road to darkness, since she picked up the Dark Realm Kingdom Chain, and Ven came from the road to twilight, since he took Way to the Dawn.

That is also what I think, except that only Baldy's heart and mind were switched : his memories were probably lost in the process. I was only making that remark about the idea that Chasers are made only of memories.

Yeah, that's even more interesting considering I never did say that Sora was Ven's armor...The idea that Ven's heart was put in Sora's body isn't mine, it's from ラクシーヌ's theory. My theory was that Terra, Aqua and maybe Ven were only hearts that were able exist on their own, because they had reached the Awakening, their heart's full potential, through the keyblades : that's how I explained that Aqua's armor was empty, and still Xemnas was talking to it.

The characters in Birth by Sleep are new characters, that has been stated and repeated by Nomura himself. That said, it's very possible he's playing on words : he hinted to a link between Ven and Roxas, and it's obvious that Terra and Xehanort are linked. However, even if Xehanort is Terra's body (and if the possession theory is correct), he would also be Baldy's mind and heart, so he would be a different person altogether.

Twilight Town is supposedly in the Light Realm, but just on the border with the Dark Realm, which explains you can pass from it to the World That Never Was. Another consequence is that many if not all Nobodies are born there (as said in Ansem the Wise's reports).

Funny, some people say I have the same problem...

 

I would like to say, that when people were puzzling over the Kh1 Fm video, Nomura had stated that the new character (who we know know as Roxas) was someone we had never met before. This shows that Nomura likes to play on words and be tricky. Because of this, it is probable that we know some other form of these characters or a mix of two of the new ones are one we know. Don't take to too literally.

 

okay, what I meant before was that Ven's armor was kinda an 'underneath the skin thing'...you know I can't really explain it better

 

The armor cnfuses me. Xemnas calles it his old friend. Does he mean the armor.....or the person that wore it. Don't be suprised if i dont respond cause im goin off to camp.

 

Well you might as well be. I still say you should change your message to that.

Noted.

I feel like I'm battling Near, now.

... probably the person that wore it.

Some one correct me or shed more information, I know I need it.

 

I see what you're getting at. It's a cool idea. Do you think this is something that he was born with, something he aquired with the keyblade, or maybe on his journies?

I think Xemnas was addressing the person who wore the armor. This could be a clue that Xemnas knew Aqua, since it was her armor. I think the only time you would address armor as "old friend" is if the armor is your own, and Xemnas probably can't fit into Aqua's armor. It would be a tight fit.

I'm glad you and Kanji think that way. It's because Nomura was so tricky when introducing Roxas that I feel able to consider that Ven, Roxas, and Sora might be different forms of the same person. And I understand that Xehanort truly would be a new person if we follow the Baldy/Terra theory.

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't ME you were yelling at. I have read the interviews stating the knights are all new characters. Are we all on the same page now?

 

I believe that Aquas spirit inhabited the armor thus making it alive and a friend

 

Well, Xemnas was Ansem's nobody and Aqua came from the path of dark so... I think Aqua could be an espionage...

>.> Just analyzing all possible senarios. Whether unlikely or likely. It would make sense. But why she was protecting her 'comrades' throws it off but usually spies lie. :/... if only she showed signs other then her keyblade that she used dark like Terra... Does anyone know any of the attacks she used?

 

Well, she mostly tried to protect her companions. So you want to prove that she might be evil spy, eh Higher Being? Or just that she used darkness?

Thirteen, have you read Kanji's Awakening theory? He goes into an idea that could fit her spirit being in the armor.

Ha, your giant Awakening theory may be thirty pages. I considered it a good long read, and I didn't mind the length myself. ;) We're both inclined to long posts.

Thanks, the reference helps. I'll check the Secret Reports. And Baldy's memories would be left behind, of course.

 

If we find something like if she used some sort of Dark power that she used in fighting (most likely since she was using the dark keyblade). Then it could push the theory that she is secretly working for another. Though the posibility of exactly that happening is a done "no way in ever". But the added push could bring more to the table.

 

There's a big catch about Aqua using darkness : she does pick up the Dark Realm Kingdom Chain in Sunset Horizons, but she doesn't use it in Birth by Sleep. In fact none of the knights use those keyblades they picked up. And besides, Mickey used the keyblade from the Dark Realm without using darkness : the keyblade is supposed to be a weapon, a source of power for good of evil. It really depends on the user, and I doubt its origin has anything to do with it ; but it's also possible the Dark Realm corrupted to keyblade's essence somehow (although we would have seen it with Mickey).

 

Rofl! That's great.



If Xemnas wasn't able to remember his past with the knights exept in the room of sleep, then going in there would be like visiting an 'old friend.'


I don't think that Aqua is a spy, or even used the power of darkness, since she has blue eyes. What might explain her using the dark keyblade is the fact that "Even in the deepest darkness there will be light" and "light shines brightest in the darkness." The fact that she is good (possibly pure of heart, since she could take after Kairi) would mean that her power would be greatest by using the darkness.

 

Maybe the fact that the people who almost never use darkness but have the dark keyblades (yes I'm talking about Aqua and Mickey but new people may come) is because they will not become obsessed by it and may use it to full potential. Or maybe its to keep the guys who are more prone to darkness away from it

 

I think Ven will become the most important in the story, closely followed by Aqua. Ven is supposed to b connected with Roxas and Sora in some way.

 

Alright, I was tossing it out there.

Hm. No because that deals with light being in dark. Aqua is light but uses a dark keyblade, it's the opposite. But like what Kanji said, it shouldn't matter on the keyblade since Mickey used a dark keyblade etc.

That's a possibility but Mickey didn't show any signs of using the darkness when he weilded the dark keyblade... so we can't be sure.

 

What I was pointing to was that the light people used it as almost a safety measure for people who are more prone to darkness (like Riku) to not have that power, and Mickey got it as kinda a bonus

 

I'm not getting it. ;_;

 

If we put a dark keyblade in Kairi's hands, we know that she wouldn't let any darkness in the keyblade corrupt her, because she's pure. If we had the evilest weapon of all time, and we HAD to give it to someone, who would it be safest with? Someone pure of heart, like Kairi. Or someone extremely good like King Mickey. So what everyone is trying to say is that Aqua having the dark keyblade may imply that she is the one least likely to use it for evil.

But I kind of like your spin. None of Aqua's actions have pointed that she might be evil, but if there was a hidden evil character, she would probably be the one everyone least expects.