Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

The elements. Yeah, Baldy does use those a lot.

Like all the Organization members in one. Because you know how all the members had an element. Oh, and how he used the wind with the Keyblades is almost just like how Xaldin uses his sticks of doom.

Starseeker being Mickey's light weapon. It would make sense.

That makes sense too. Good one on ya' guys.

 

Darn you guys, you keep saying what I'm about to say....

But do you guys notice how the clone and Baldys keyblades are sectioned off at the middle, and that the eye is AWAY from the hilt. (Riku's eye was at the hilt)

By the way, that pic is kinda easy to get, its pretty much everywhere

 

... I got nothing out of that. I don't think they're related... :/

Do you have pictures of everyone else's Keyblades showing the engraved eye symbol?

 

For the link between Roxas and Ven, see here.

About Terra's mastery of the keyblade : he was still able to use it in ways noone would have thought of (turning it into a whip, a bow, a jetbike...and when he curses you so you can't use physical attacks or magic, I think he uses the keyblade to lock those abilities)...

And besides, it's possible that keyblades were created not long before the keyblade war : therefore Terra could have known about the keyblade from its creator. After all, it seems the keyblade war has been such a deadly battle that it left no survivors to tell the tale, or at least to pass on the knowledge of the keyblade. That would correspond to RikuNotRikku's theory on Chasers : they would be the people who created keyblades and then used them to fight against or over something.

 

... unrelated, but I feel like I seem sort of off.... Probably because I do feel off. Yarg. My thinking is off.

I'm not seeing things as clearly as I should... but anyway...

Ok. Terra owns with his Keyblade. I'm going to believe in RikuNotRikku's theory about the Chasers being the blacksmith's of Keyblades. It's a good possiblility.

But if that's so then there must have been many chasers making Keyblades in the past. The Keyblade graveyard adds to that... unless they were all made by one person or a couple chasers. (Which I doubt because there are a lot...)

I just thought of something: The soldiers are seen picking specific Keyblades from the ground. What if there needs to be more soldiers to do the same... But that's assuming it took place in the future... So... bah, maybe not.

 

Well if that's Ansem the Wise's grandfather then King Mickey must be like 100 years old. ( Thats the problem , Ansem is actully in his 50's in Kh2 and Mickey is a lot younger then that. )

 

In a way that is off topic, I'd like to clear up a few things about Riku and Kairi's keyblades. Riku had the way to the dawn when we first see him in TWTNW, so it didn't have to do with regaining his old form. The Keyblade he gave Kairi was a different keyblade altogether. After he gives it to her, he draws his own keyblade.

Yay! People are agreeing with me about the chasers thing! Yes, because of the vast amount of keyblades, we can only assume that there were quite a few of them.

Hmm, what do you guys think the keyblade war was about?

was it a fight between two sides: good and evil?
was it a fight between each path of the crossroads (thus forming the crossroads)
was it a fight between the keybladers and an extremly powerful force?
was it a free-for-all match to try and claim 'the light' (as told in Kairi's grandmother's story)?

I wonder...

 

You just gave me an idea, RnR...

The crossroads...

Wasn't the disney castle in the green crossroads? Where little Sora stood and was later met with an Organization member? In CoM?

[insert picture here] ... I'm trying to find one... arg.

tada:







... I guess Disney Castle wasn't in there...





Also, I think the soliders came from different paths and met in the middle, but you all probably thought that already yourselves.

 

If it is the crossroads and they came from diffrent direction maby they each have thier own power Aqua came from light road, Ven from Dark , and Terra from Dawn since he can use darkness and light

 

I didn't know that paths ment different things. It would be nicer if we knew the direction; north, west etc...

 

Its says 'Chasers' so that means more than one...FINALLY a straight answer...how good does that feel?

Actually I do, check out the tread here http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=13816 my pics. And as a sidenote (that pic shows up at the beginning of windows movie maker so its pretty easy)

 

*^*, Oh. Well that adds much! (: Thanks. Don't mind if I rip, do you?

 

go right on ahead (with credit please ;) )

 

The crossroads is a very important symbol, in many tales and legends : it usually represents a difficult choice, where none of them seems really a good one. A Russian legend says a knight came at the crossroads, and saw a engraving on stone, that said : "If you take the left road, you will lose your horse. If you take the right road, you will lose your head."

In KH, Sora and Riku were offered choices when at the crossroads : Marluxia offered Sora a chance to retrieve lost memories (and lied and manipulated him), and DiZ offered Riku the choice between light and darkness.

It can also be assumed the crossroads are the only way to find one's way in this dimension that contains Castle Oblivion. Stemming from what DiZ said, it can be assumed the four paths lead to four worlds : one to the world of light, one to the world of darkness, one to the world on twilight and the last that leads back into this endless dimension (maybe it's the world of nothingness to which DiZ was banished).

That the three knights in Sunset Horizons would come from three different roads, plus the keyblades they pick up, supports this theory : the two Kingdom Chains correspond to light and darkness, and Way to the Dawn is a keyblade for twilight. Then one should still wonder what the fourth road leads to or comes from, since Baldy arrives taking that road.

About the keyblade war, I'd say it was a war between keyblade masters for the "light" (it could mean Kingdom Hearts), since I don't think the tale told by Kairi's grandmother will be dismissed and not used. After all, the secret ending evokes a "new tale", which means the one told by Kairi's grandmother could be the "old tale". After that, maybe Baldy manipulated the keyblade masters into fighting each other, so he could have the light for himself, and his only real opponents were the three knights, the only ones who wanted to defeat him, not to have the power for themselves.

 

Yes each crossroad has its own meaning If you are in middle right is light left is dark and middle is dawn or twilight

 

Hes probably from Castle oblivion, cuz that was probably his residens before the org.

Xemnas created that base because he was looking for the room of awakening, which BALDY constructed.

 

I know this may be completely off topic, just as my other posts have been, but it's something I've been working on and I need some advice and/or criticism.

What if Roxas isn't a Nobody at all? That would explain how he's able to feel the emotions that a real Nobody lacks. I think we all, including the game's own characters, mistook him as Sora's Nobody because of their looks as well as what everyone was assuming. We literally do not have any real proof of Roxas being Sora's Nobody. I think Roxas may in fact be one of these Chasers, and then had his mind wiped by Namine or some other force to prevent him from remembering. I think that's also why he's able to complete the "Three Symbols Table" when he's in the Twilight Town mansion. He may not have known that third symbol if he didn't have any afore knowledge about it.

Well, that was fairly random. Anyone care to help me out or even help me destory it?

 

Roxas is atypical, that much is certain ; even though he's supposed to be a Nobody, he shows some degree of emotion. That, however, can be explained by the fact that Sora's heart is not trapped in darkness : since it did not remain a heartless, his emotions are intact, and the link between Sora and his Nobody could explain the feelings Roxas experiences.

The discussion between him and Axel suggests he could more atypical than we thought, because it makes it possible that Roxas has a heart, and therefore is not a Nobody, but a complete being in his own right.

Your theory could explain this, and is consistent with another theory : the idea that Ven's heart was put in Sora's body, so he could keep existing even after his death at Baldy's hands. This theory explains also that when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, he released his own heart, which became a heartless, Kairi's heart which returned to her body, and Ven's heart, which quite logically returned to its haven, Sora's body, which had become Roxas' body.

However, there's a big problem with your theory : if Roxas isn't a Nobody, how could he have merged with Sora ?

 

you have a point there. Maby roxas is a diffrent type of nobody. One who has emotions. Roxas confuses everybody
EDIT: found the video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjI9qXc3jc

 

Jeez Kanji, still love long posts I see :D

But I kinda like the idea that Ven was trapped in Sora but was released, but there was exactly the right amount of hearts coming from the blade for the six princesses, Sora himself, and Kairi.

Though maybe, as Kanji said in his thread all that time ago about 'reanimation' or something, maybe Sora was Ven's armor but with another heart to control it. Thus Sora had his real body (who became Roxas), his Heart (which became that heartless), and the armor (which was Ven's 'essesence'). Thus the appearance of Roxas that Ven had.