Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

cold'nt Xemnas mean "radiance" as the rage Sora and Riku showed against him.

 

Intersting . However rember in KH2FM in the new Roxas scene when Roxas is talking with Axel askes roxas if they have hearts. Roxas said he wasnt sure but Sora will find the answer. Also watch this video its quite good about our topic. I didnt make it.NVM couldnt find it. It shows on of the scenes where you first see Saix face. And Donlad says" Hearts? You dont have nay hearts." Then Saix says "True we dont have hearts,but we rember what it was like nad that makes us special. Now lets go to final battle after yu kill xemnas first knight form. During the cutscene Sora says "Xemnas the hearts full of all kinds of feelings dont you rember?" Now xemnas says "Unfortunitly I dont..." However a Ansem report says that Xenenort lost his memory. Intersting....Indeed
EDIT:Higherbieng that picture is awsome you can clearly see the eye on both of thier keyblades. They both look sort machincaly(keyblades). Any awsome pic

 

The idea of remembering a heart is really interesting because it establishes a link between Xemnas and Terra : Xemnas says he can't remember anything except anger and hate, and Terra says all he has left is his hatred for Xehanort.

And about Roxas' heart...well either he was linked to Sora's heart, and thanks to that he could use the keyblade and experience emotions, because Sora's heart was not trapped in darkness, or he had a heart of his own, and one should wonder if he managed to create one for himself or if it is the heart of someone else.

There was a theory (I don't remember the name of the one who did it) saying that Roxas' heart was actually Ven's heart, which had been put into Sora's body after Ven died, so he could go on existing. When Sora turned into a Heartless, Ven's heart was released along with Kairi's and Sora's, and it went to hide in Roxas' body.

 

So would that mean that Roxas would be a incarnation of ven?

 

Thats intersting. However we do know that being traped in that ice thing didnt kill him instantly because you can see his eyes move. Maby they had Ven become a heartless so he would release his heart. Then they would get the heart(probly by killing the heartless) But Ven would then make a Nobody. What if Roxas is Vens nobody and everybody thinks hes Soras?
EDIT: showing Higherbiengs picture again becuase its amazing. the eye on clone is clearly seen. Look between Baldys keyblade to see eye. I cant paste itso everyone look on page 67 if you havent seen picture yet.

 

It would mean Roxas carried Ven's essence, and that this essence has now returned to Sora. However it's just a theory, and there aren't many elements to back it up.

 

I guess that could work Kanji. But as you said, not a lot of evidence. Yet we could have had another essesence thing because of Aqua's armor being gone could be another one of these "reincarnations." Well what I'm saying, in short, is that this could have happened to Aqua and Ven and we've only seen the effects on Aqua...

Did anyone understand that?

 

The7seventh

Alright, seeing how you guys are... hypothesizing, I guess I could say something as well.

This is about Ven.

Xehanort lost his heart and became a heartless, correct ? Then a nobody formed and blah blah blah. This is what I'm implying here; Xehanort also lost his memory some time ago. Losing the memory could result in the birth of a Chaser. ( Bald Guy )

Sora also lost his memories which could explain Ven's existence. We still don't know what a Chaser is exactly.

That's my theory.

 

Discussion of the secret ending

I think those three are Sora, Kairi, and Riku.

 

The7seventh

No-- there new characters. They have some connections to the characters we already know. I guess.

 

Give me a break! GOD, it was a gusse

 

The7seventh

What ? I was just telling you..... nevermind.

Well-- I think a Chaser is what happens when a keybearer loses his / her memory resulting in the birth of a Chaser. Sora and Xehanort sleeping to regain their memory might have something to do with it also. ( Birth by sleep ) Then again, I'm not sure if Xehanort had to sleep in order to regain his memory.

Xehanort and Sora both lost their memory ( so did Kairi and Riku to some extent ) which would probably explain the Bald Guy and Ven. I'm not sure, it's just a guess.

And with that said. Cya !!

 

Sorry!:( and I like your idea of it.

 

The idea of a third being formed by memories is a very common theory, and it certainly makes sense. However, Ven can't be Sora's "Chaser", or it's highly unlikely : we know from Xigbar's words that the keyblade war happened in the past, before Xehanort arrived in Radiant Garden, and probably before he lost his memories. We also know Xigbar met or saw Aqua, Terra and Ven before. Therefore, Ven existed even before Sora was born, and cannot have been formed from his memories.

 

The7seventh

Hmph... you gotta point there. At least we can all agree that Ven has some kind of connection with Roxas do to how similar they look, right ?

One more thing... when Terra's eyes started to glow once Kingdom Hearts showed itself. I wonder what that signifies ? His eyes were ( from what I saw ) the same color as Ansem { Xehanort's heartless }. Is he somehow connected to Xehanort in some way ?

Kairi is another mystery. Why and how did she wield a keyblade ? Is she a keyblade master like Sora or is it because she's one of the seven princesses which allowed her to wield that keyblade for a limited amount of time ?

Another thing... keyblades without keychains are made from hearts. For example : Riku / Xehanort's dark keyblade from KH was created from the seven princesses hearts. No keychain which could apply to the Knights keyblades also. There probably created from hearts.

At least that' what I think. ^_^

 

Ven has a connection to Roxas, that's official : Nomura stated it in an interview.

Yellow eyes are a sign of the taint of darkness : Ansem the Wise said in his reports that using the corridors of darkness to much could be dangerous, as it would taint your heart with darkness progressively. That's why he had yellow eyes ; that was also the case for Saix, Xigbar, Xemnas, Xehanort's heartless and probably Riku (hence the blindfold : his eyes couldn't lie because their color showed he had been using the darkness). Terra's eyes turning yellow shows he is about to use the darkness, probably as a weapon of last resort, for a desperate attack against Baldy.

Kairi was not a keyblade master, since she wasn't able to summon her keyblade : if she was, the weapon would have appeared in her hand at the start of the battle or when she was in danger, just like Roxas. However, she was able to use a keyblade because her heart is pure and therefore worthy of a keyblade : this also means she has the potential to become a keyblade master, and it can be safely assumed she will become one in KH3.

We know Riku's fake keyblade was made from the hearts of the princesses, but I don't think it means the knights' keyblades were fake. After all, we have no true hint to the keyblade's exact nature or to the keychain's : it's very possible a keyblade doesn't need a keychain. I don't know about you, but I think Terra had too much mastery over his weapon for it to be fake : that he was able to change its form rather suggests he had mastered the keyblade completely and perhaps unlocked its true power.

But keyblades could very well be made of hearts : after all, their power are linked to hearts, and apparently you can't use a keyblade if you don't have a heart that's worthy of it.

 

I jsut saw in Secret ending of KH1 Riku puts his hands up and the sky opens sorta like how Baldy opens the sky except with his ball of darkness. Also Baldy and clone seem to use alot of earth and wind elements. They use earth to move the ground and wind to use the keyblades for attacking. When Riku takes out Kairis keyblade maby its just a keychain he had. Sora can make many diffrent keyblades using keychains. Also i think that star seeker is a keyblade from the light relm. Noruma said mickey can use both light and darkness keyblades. We saw his dark relm keyblade. Maby star seeker is light.

 

I think that chasers could be the people that made the keyblades. Another definition of 'chaser' is a person who decorates metal. This would make sense, since the next game covers the origin of the keyblade.

Good point, the keyblade made from the 6 princess' hearts (not 7. remember: Kairi's heart was in Sora, he used the keyblade to free it. Therefore it wasn't in there.) So it's possible that they are made from hearts. Maybe the original keyblades didn't just didn't have them, or maybe the original keyblades were made from hearts. Perhaps all keyblades are made from hearts...

By the way Shingo, I would think you knew what we were talking about since I sent you one too. Didn't you get it?

 

... It felt like forever to read all of everyones posts.

I like this idea. It's likely. But likely is sort of like saying probably so let's just say it's possible.

... some maybe too lazy to check so... :



You can give Roxllen all the credit. He's a god with freeze frames.

... Sora losing his memories to create the birth of Ven...

That's likely... if only the ending wasn't taken place in the past.

... I thought the only thing Keychains did was add power to a Keyblade... What's the difference if one Keyblade has a chain and another doesn't. The blades were still created by hearts, one just has a boost.

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Sntnce1: Nomura said so? Do you have a reference?

Prgph 1: Agreed.

Prgph 2: ... agreed again. It's very likely that Kairi will become a Keyblade weilder in the next KH3.

Prgph 3: Keyblades do not need Keychains.
As for Terra completely knowing his Kyeyblade: I doubt it. I don't think Sora even knows all about it let alone all of what a Keyblade is capable of.

:/ I doubt Keyblades are made of Hearts... or else the Organization would be pimpin' with Keyblades. But they don't have hearts... so... huh... *muse* Odds are, Keyblades aren't made of hearts.

 

Just trowing this out there you know how when Terra walks to keyblades the stuff around him flys away liike sand. Well watch the begginign movie of KH2 same thing happenes when soras on the paupu tree with Riku and Kairi