Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

Well, in all honesty I don't think Ven looks that much like Roxas. I mean yes, they do like alike, but not much more than Aqua and Kairi. There's probably more to it than fate repeating itself, but I can't see anything at this point.

 

It could mean that the memories of them are locked in there. Meaning each room is needed to remember certain people or something.

You're right, she is an extremly rare occourence. I really meant that he found her and then formed his plans around her talents.

I didn't know that she only had power over people connected to Sora, but that makes sense. Where did you hear that?

In An interveiw with Nomura (link below) he says

"The Organization thought of Naminé’s gift to manipulate memories as a way to resolve the actual circumstances surrounding each of their abilities and attributes. The memories of those who enter were used in the experiments on memories going on there. Above all else, the Organization’s leader, Xemnas, was investigating the importance of memories. During these experiments, in order for these memories to be broken and then regenerated, those pods were made by the Organization. The pod Sora awoke from in Twilight Town and the pod Diz moved from Castle Oblivion to keep away from the Organization’s pursuit are the same thing. Also, there is an additional scene where Xigbar talks about the “true goal of Castle Oblivion†and when this particular scene appears, I think all mystery surrounding Castle Oblivion should become clear."

It looks like she has power over all memories to me. It turns out that the Organisation made the pod, so I guess the room of awakening isn't that room. It may not have been there, or they couldn't use it. Also in that same Interview, Nomura states, that Castle oblivion was around before the organizaion.


Anyways, another thing I've been thinking of is the possiblility of XH not being a heartless at all. I mean he did become a heartless, but somehow became a person again. In an interview as part of "another Report" http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-26-27/ Nomura talks about the kh series in detail.

He mentions that Xemnas is a special nobody, like Roxas and Naminé. In CoM, Axel mentions that Sora was only the second person to go back to there body. I think this all points to Xehanort actually coming back to his body somehow, without even knowing it. This explains why he can still think and reason, and why he kept his human form.

Does anyone else find the mention of purebred and embelm heartless in the ansem reports to be wierd? Any heartless with an "Insignia" or a marking (probably meaning the heartless simbol) Is an emblem, meaning manufactered. This means that only shadows and Neo-shadows and purebred, and ever other single type of heartless is an emblem. Obviously, a heart captured by another emblem heartless becomes an emblem too. We can see this in the scene, early in Kh1, where a man looses his heart and becomes a "knight" Hearless(which is an emblem).

 

I can't really explain how Ven/Roxas got unfrozen, but obviously the Knights have their ways.

One of my many multitudes of theories is that the Xehanort we see in Birth by Sleep is his third form. There are many people who have been talking about how there's a third form included in the catagories of Nobodies and Heartless. I think the brown-haired Xehanort look-alike may be a version of this so-called third form, or Chasers as most are calling them. That would help out with saying that Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless already exist. It would also help with my theory that this is happening in between KH: CoM and KH2. We know nothing about those events as well as the origins of most of these characters (including Organization 13).

I would like to know the origins of the Organization because there's so much we don't know about them. Of course, this is just wishful thinking on my part. Another storyline I would like explained is the whole thing with DiZ/Ansem and his so-called apprentices.

 

i really think it's a far stretch to think the knight is Xehanort, i just hate the idea. i mean haven't you had enough trouble with him already, man im getting annoyed of that guy!

 

Well, sorry, but I'm afraid you're gonna have to get used to it : this guy looks a lot like Xehanort, and one of the (if not THE) taglines of the upcoming game is "Memory of Xehanort".

 

Well, Kanji's right, and Nomura also said that Xehanort's past is basicly what that game covers. So, my guess is that he is in the next game somewhere.

Also, when you see his eyes turn yellow from giving in to the darkness, I believe that it is ment to give away the fact that he is xehanort.

 

While he is annoying, it makes the game more monumental to have the same enemy keep re-appearing.

Whoa, wait. Ven is the guy that looks like Roxas? So Aquas the girl, and the enigmatic soldier is still the enigmatic soldier?

 

I'll try and have a more open mind about it.

I'm sorry, it was something I had come to beleive because I only saw her alter the memories of people connected to Sora. I hadn't read this information yet, thank you for bringing it out.

You have an interesting idea about Xehanort going back to his body. I wonder if that would have had some type weird effect? It's suspicious that there's a knight who looks like somewhat like Roxas, and another that looks somewhat like Xehanort.

I remember reading about purebloods and emblems. But I had wondered why the man from Traverse Town turned into a Knight. It makes sense now.

I can absolutely agree with you that the knight is the third form of Xehanort. I would alter your theory about Roxas though, and say that Shorty isn't Roxas, but a third form of Sora.

 

I'm going to. But I'm also altering my theory to go along with the picture that libredk posted in a previous thread. It stated that maybe the bald guy took over the Xehanort-look-a-like's body, therefore altering his appearance to make him look and become Xemnas. Unfortunately, an accurate timeline is hard to consider when thinking about this theory.

 

Just a quick thought that popped into my head but, is it possible that Ven & Aquas are the "friends" that Xemnas refers to?

 

It is quite possible because in a scene in FM+, Xemnas is seen in his 'throne room' (It is now officially called the Room Of Sleep) speaking to Aqua's armor. He calls it "friend". Now, as Xigbar says in a FM+ scene, Xemnas is looking for the Room Of Awakening, and this could (I emphasize could) be where he would find Ven's armor, or even Ven himself.

 

Yup that exactly what i thought, i was just making sure i wasn't think crazy. :p

 

Alright! Glad I could help!

 

I know the image you're talking about. I'd love to see these two ideas combined. But you might want to incorporate time traveling. :p Really, you might be able to. Merlin is able to traverse time, and probably Yen Sid too. Maybe that giant Kingdom Hearts look-a-like scrabbled Baldly/Larry/Xehanort into the past.

 

Hey anyone notice that in "Sunset Horisons" that the three characters took secondary Keyblades, but in "Birth by Sleep", they didn't have them anymore? And here's my theory. I don't know about the sleeping part, but the geezer made KH, and the three tried stopping him, but got dropped in the process. They knew darkness would be in KH, so they tried stoppin him. Maybe it has to do with sleep, but I dunno :p

 

I think that the two empty pods in the room of awakening have something to do with Ven and Aqua. No?

~A.

 

Which ones? do you mean the ones in the hall?

 

Yaaa. Those. -nod-

 

Wow! Good thinking, never thought of that... buuuut... why would Ansem teh wise have them in his basement... wait a minute? ewwww! hes a pedophile?

 

I think those were the pods goofy and donald were in.