Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

Hmm, Your right, I guess that he could have had an assitant named Xehanort, which he didn't create, though I can't explain why he was called that.

Although he does remember his time as Ansem's apprentice, it doesn't mean he couldn't have lost his memory. It seems whatever he is doing in the room of sleep is helping him get his memory back, since he is able to remember his "Old friend" the knight, who he knew before his memory was lost the first time. Also, he mentions the keyblade, something he would no nothing about after his memory was lost the first time.

Another explanation is that he can only remember stuff well when he looks at something material that remind him of it.

I supose that the scene you are thinking of is the one from Fm+ where he remembers his conversation with Ansem about stoping the exparements while walking down to the room of sleep. He starts remembering after he sees all the equipment used for the expairements.

Also, it seems like he can only remember Aqua after seeing her armour. If this is so, then every time he would go down there, it would be like a visit to an old friend, even if the armour is empty.

 

In my opinion, Xehanort only lost his memories of the time before he was found by Ansem. The memories Xemnas is trying to retrieve are thos of his past, which is linked to the knights and the keyblade war.

I don't think he was named Xehanort before he lost his memories : that would explain he is a different character than the one from the secret ending. In a way, since he begins a new life, he is a new man, another man. The no heart aspect is linked to his unusual nature (Ansem said his talent was inhuman).

 

what if sora is a relative to xehanort, then that could explain why it is that he thought sora was xehanort. :) (srry if this has been brought up, i dont want to scroll through every page again)

 

That is a good question : why did Larry mistake Sora for Xehanort ? And what sense can you make out of this gibberish he talks to Sora ?

 

Btw, if you don't think he lost his memory a second time, how can you explain why his name is an anagram for Ansem with and X?

Here is the first part again

“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!"

Obviously, we have the names Aqua and Ven that pop out, but the rest is still vauge.

Something I notice though is that although most people seem to think that Xehanort is the one he chose, but it's not.

He is saying, we have met before. No wait you're not the one I choose, why not? (and after he relises its not him, he makes another guess) Xehanort? is that you?

It seems to me that at first he mistook Sora for Ven, the Roxas looking one. Although I don't think they are all that similar, other people in the game seem to mix them up.

It seems, Since he hates Xehanort, that he attacks Sora, when he thought he was Xehanort for whatever reason.

He relises he isn't after, though.

I am very confedent that the fight with him is in the past.

Is it true that the secred Videos were said to take place in the past and the future. I guess that could imply that the story of kingdom hearts itself takes place in the future, and the videos take place in the past compaired to the future. just a thought

 

This is my theory

Well we all know who the E.S. is and if you dont it is the tall knight in the secret ending.

Anyway, Most of us including me say E.S. is Xehanort. Some say no because the E.S. said he hated Xehanort for killing Ven and Aqua(Guy who got frozen/blue haird girl). At the end of this new secret ending we saw how Larry(E.S.) got his eyes yellow. This is because Baldy(The bald dude a.k.a Xehanort) Transfered his heart and soul leaving his brain behaind. Leaving Baldy's body empty(Nobody maybe). Well at the change time Larry is fighting inside of himself Baldy as he fights inside he gets an anger range killing both Aqua and Ven. As Baldy is fully in him he goes walking 'till he reaches a portal or so that lead him to Radient Garden and blah blah blah.

So my point is he is a body with two souls (Baldy/Larry,Notice Baldy and Larry rhymes) While his Baldy part was active he killed Aqua and Ven. This leads to the hatred of Larry towards Xehanort. This double body is passed onto Xehanorts Heartless and Xemnas

*This explains why he said "Friend" to the empty armor

well this was theory hope you agree with most of it

 

Xehanort probably took his former master's name because he wanted to prove he had surpassed him (Xemnas boasts about how jealous Ansem is of his genius), and to fully obliterate him (after all, he did send him to a dimension of nothingness). You know, that's the whole logic of the student surpassing the teacher, and when said student is a psychotic and egomaniac bad guy, well you get unusual and crazy things, such as taking another's name just to prove you're better than him.

It may also be because his name (Xehanort) reminded him too much of his unknown past, lack of memories and background.

 

(Sorry for going back on this)

Yeah, I know it in the math part.So it makes good sence.
It's a really good theory.

 

what if xehanort was one of them and deserted them when they needed him, that would explain that there were only three at the crossroads when there are four ways. And in the final battle of KH2 Xemnas uses a type of armour that looks a lot like the ones they have, and Xemnas being Xehanorts nobody means that xehanort could probably also use it.

And have you noticed that if you look carefully at every keyblade in the secret ending, there are a lot of fenrirs...

 

That doesn't explain why Larry looks so much like Xehanort. And I'll say it right now, the idea of a twin brother doesn't seem very satisfactory to me.

 

they might just look like each other...

 

The problem with this theory is that a 'soul' is not part of the kingdom hearts Anatamy of a person. In the game, people are made of three things: A body, a mind, and a heart. I guess I makes scence if you say 'heart' instead of 'soul.'

Also, "Larry and Baldy rhymes???" Oh come on, these are two made up names and they only rhyme because they end in 'y.'

Well this does explain how Xehanort's hearless is able to think and plan, but Kanji is right, it doesn't explain why they look so similar.

Ya, About the twin brother thing, they just used that for Bash in FF12, and it would be kinda dumb if they reused it so quickly. Somehow, the twin brother thing worked really well in ff12, probably the way it was presented or something.

 

Yes...well when it comes to complex plots, I don't believe in coincidences.

 

You're right. There is a reason why he looks like Xehanort, there's a reason why Baldy's clothes are the same as Xehanort's heartless, and there's a reason why Ven looks like Roxas. It is impossible to know for sure why, all we can do is keep on coming up with theories.

 

For this theory, I will be using Aqua and Ven as the names of the other knights. Sorry ロクサス. :p

When he first sees Sora, the E.S. thinks Sora is Aqua or Ven. There must be a reason why Ven and Roxas look alike, just like there was a reason why Roxas and Sora looked alike. Whatever the connection is between Sora and Ven, the E.S. is able to sense it, and he briefly assumes that Sora is Ven. The reason he connects Aqua to Sora is because Aqua left her mark on Sora; she was the voice who guided Sora in the beginning of the first game.

When he decides that Sora isn't Aqua or Ven, he thinks of someone he "chose". Riku was originally meant to weild the keyblade that Sora has. Perhaps the E.S. chose Riku as the one would would inherit the Kingdom Key. Now he sees someone with the Kingdom Key, who isn't the new keyblade weilder that he chose. So he assumes that Sora must be the enemy, Xehanort, trying to fool him.

 

Wow, Shingo, That is a pretty sound theory, I like it. but what makes you say that Aqua is the voice Sora heard. It could be, since we never actualy hear it. Then that would mean she is helping Sora because of his connection to Ven, since she cares for him.

I think the reason Riku doesn't get the keyblade is because he starts to embrace the darkness. The kingdom key either is a keyblade only "good" people can use, or, by starting to embrace the darkness, his heart was neather very good, nor very evil. It wasn't strong in either direction, so the keyblade went to Sora, since his heart was stronger.

 

I think the reason sora got the keyblade from riku was because he was talking about how his friends were inmpotant to him and stuff adn he had a heart and at that time riku kinda didn't have a heart and yeah that was why roxas was like "What?!?" when sora called his keyblade back when they were fighting.

 

The keyblade abandoned Riku because his heart was becoming weak : the keyblade is a mystical weapon and its power is linked to its master's heart. And darkness is dangerous to the heart because it eats away at it, it overwhelms it and enslaves it : negative emotions as anger and hatred are powerful, they give strength to the heart, but in the end, if not kept in check, they will devour it. The keyblade sensed Riku's heart was engulfed by the darkness and it chose Sora as its new master, since his heart had a potential just as great, and because it found its strength in light, a safer power.

 

MY theory is that 'Birth by Sleep' in some how means the birth (or it's birth to being known) of Kingdom Hearts.

I also, for some reason, think the bald guy looks very much like Ansem the Wise. I dunno why, his face just seems identical, but the blond and the gray hair difference through me off, but his outfit may have something to do with Xehanort's heartless calling himself 'Ansem'.

I guess we'll have to see.

 

Well, Ansem's got hair. lol.
'Birth By Sleep'...what could it mean?