Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

.... Sorry to bring this all back again but Nomura stated that they were all new characters.

 

wouldn't Xehanort's past life be an all new character? Roxas was, and he was half of sora.

 

Technically, it's a new life. Not character.

 

well thats true for roxas too...but i can see what you're saying. though i'm confused how roxas passes the new character test, and "larry" doesn't. Oh well

 

Yeah. Oh well.

I just saw the Rememberance vid on youtube. *cries* It was... so sad! :(

 

Yeah! You feel sad for them (meaning Roxas and Axel)

 

Right. So I saw the vid mentioning Room of Awakening. Here are the ending quotes from that one memeber.

"With the 'Room of Sleep' comes the 'Room of Awakening'. The other place. That is what he [Xemnas] is seeking. That room, which was not made by Xemnas. Perhaps that is where... The other... 'Friend' is... "

Has anyone discussed these quotes yet?

 

No, but they should have.

I was a bit confused by that too. I haven't watched the video since it first came out. I guess I just forgot about it with all of this other discussion.

As to what I think?

NO CLUE.

Ok, I get this. :)

Ok... Well, I know in COM they always talk of the superior, and we always assume it is Xemnas.


....


What if it isn't?

We don't know. It was never confirmed that they were talking of Xemnas at all in COM. So were they?


I'm not saying I do not think the superior is Xemnas. I do. (Mostly becuase I can't think of any possible other person it could be) But this is speculation. I'm just writing down [almost] every thought that comes to my mind.

 

You're right. Hell, it could even be baldy for all we know. I put that "[Xemnas]" there for the people who didn't know who "he" was. Based on the conversation the two members had, I just assumed it was Xemnas.

 

Me too. I was just speculating. Perhaps there is a reason they never actually said Xemnas until KH2....A year later...

 

*shrug* Yeah. I'm guessing that they didn't know who to put as the evil bad guy yet, you know?

Like in Sunset Horizons at the very end where you see a bloby black figure heading towards the KO.

And then in the new ending, Nomura gave him a human silhouette because he finally got the character design up! And by god, he granted baldy his bald head too. XD

 

Once again! Nomura has shown off his ability to draw feet just check E.S's and BHK's feet, i mean there smaller than sora's but i mean they're not small...

 

Why did they use an x for the Organization?
no one knows, so i was just throwin out a letter
besides S would be better than F or P

 

The Organization used an X because it is the letter traditionnally used for something that is unknown, nonexistent or forbidden. Their names are anagrams of their original names with an x added, to show they do not truly exist.

 

I never thought of it that way,but it really makes sence.
It is something you read or did you just say it ?
Well at least it is very beliveable.

 

I didn't read it in an official SE statement about the Organization : it just seems logical. In mathematics, x is the letter you use for an unknown number (in equations for example), and things like "Mr. X" for a guy who wants to stay anonymous is very common, I think.

 

Nice, Kanji. I think you should change the message "Sadistic Lightning Ninja" to "Theory Guru" ^_^

Anyway, what's our next subect matter...

 

I have a theory but its not a sound one. Heres the link to the thread.

http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=7756&highlight=Riku+Xehanort+are+related

Please help me to expand on it or destroy it.

 

I have posted my responce there.

Anyways, I have a theory too, and I would like to know what you guys think of it.

Part of the theory is that The tall, dark haired knight (Larry) is Xehanort. Since alot of people don't agree, I will briefly try to prove it. First of all, if you compare pictures of the knight and Xehanort (not Xehanort's heartless) similarities become very evident. They have the same unique chin that points up slightly, same eyebrows, and a similar hair style. It is (as we all know) possible to change one's hairstyle over time.

One big argument is that there hair colour isn't even the same, and he is not old. First of all, he could be old. We don't how long he was with Ansem the Wise. Secondly, severe trauma can cause hair to white prematurely, and also memory loss, for that matter.

There are alot of things indicating that he has something to do with the keyblade wars. Firstly, during Xigbar and Zexion's conversation in Fm+, Xigbar states that there is a direct connection between the end of the keyblade wars. and a memoriless man being found by Ansem the Wise. Xemnas makes several comments as if he knew stuff about the keyblade. An example would be, "Ah, The keyblade, such a marvelous weapon. If only it were in more...capable hands.(cue evil laughter)" He called the amour (which belonged to aqua) his "old friend" meaning he (Well, his other) knew her personally.

Then there is The enigmatic solder as a secret boss in Fm+. The amour looks similar to Larry's, (the only differences, pointed out by Boywithhair on the Playstation.com boards, are probably due to the fact that one is in Cg, while the other isn't) but many people don't think Larry and Xehanort could be the same person because of the things he says:

“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!"

When you come back for a rematch, he says how much he hates Xehanort.

However, that is not necessarily true.

I believe that Sora fights Larry is in the past, the distant past, even. I think this because the way you get to the boss is through a big swirling vortex that could potentially be a time warp. Additionally, since it is in Mickey's basement, we can assume that it way used by him to go back in time to witness the fight, possibly as instucted by Yen Sid while he was still his apprentice (explains the Star Seeker keyblade(Sora was given the star seeker by Yen Sid, so it looks like he gave it to Mickey by him too, during his training))

It is not so hard to think that Mickey has a portal to the past in his basement, since he has that door that leads to that black and white past world.

So, based on all of that, I theorize this:

Originally, Larry was not Xehanort. He could have been called Larry, for all we know. In fact he hated someone else named Xehanort, possibly baldy. This Xehanort was originally created by Ansem the wise to be his lab partner/ assistant. Since he was created, it explains why the name without the X is an anagram for "no heart." Eventually, he leaves to go find Kingdom Hearts or whatever, and Larry and the Chasers need to stop him for whatever reason. This would explain Larry's hatred toward "Xehanort." Due to a traumatic event, possibly what comes after in the video, he loses his memory and his hair turns white prematurely. He is then found by Ansem the Wise, who does one of two things:

He mistakes him for the original Xehanort(It is possible that baldy wasn't bald when he left) and tells him that’s who he is

Or he missed having a companion, since his other apprentices came after Xehanort, and named him after Xehanort. It is ironic that he should be named after the one he hated so much, but this can signify a number of things.

Although Xehanort without the 'x' is an anagram for 'no heart,' it is also an anagram of 'another,' showing that there was one before him.(also, Xemnas' computer password at the beginning of the amour scene was 'another')

Since he eventually becomes a heartless, he 'lives up to his name.' It can be said that he becomes 'another' 'no heart,' explaining the significance of their similar clothes.

Anyways, they work together for a number of years, ect,ect...

After Xehanort gets rid of Ansem the Wise, he has memory loss again for some reason. He would have looked around the office, seen things signed "Ansem," seen he was in charge, and pieced together (incorrectly) that he was Ansem. This explains what he is 'pretending' to be Ansem and why Xemnas without the X is an anagram of Ansem and not Xehanort, since he truly believed that’s who he was.

So, what do you guy think? I am eagar to see your comments.

 

I really doubt Ansem the Wise would have created an assistant (that just doesn't seem right by him ; creating life is a very difficult process, and it was only after he met Xehanort that he started experimenting on the heart). Second, Xehanort couldn't have lost his memories twice : Xemnas has Xehanort's mind and his memories, and he clearly remembers his time as Ansem's apprentice.