Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

WOW. You are a Higherbeing...

 

If you want my complete, complex and detailed opinion on the question, see my thread on the Awakening.

Long story made short, I believe Larry, Ven and Aqua were indeed good guys (I don't know about the Chasers in general), but that Larry had a link with darkness, a bit like Riku (after all, he and Xehanort are often compared) ; it probably has a link with that heart-moon Baldy summoned (Nomura said it was NOT Kingdom Hearts, right ?), but I believe it is a weapon of last resort : this is a power Larry has access to, but that is dangerous to him. If he uses too much of it (and to take down Baldy it's gonna take a lot), he may become overwhelmed and corrupted by it.

 

^_^' Heh, thank you... I try.

Yes, I was thinking that Larry had some relation to the darkness as another idea as well. You think the moon-heart is a last resort weapon or were you still talking about the darkness?

 

Still talking about darkness.

The moon is obviously summoned by Baldy, and through a keyblade's power, converted into pure energy : this moon is something only a keyblade can reveal, so it is either a thing that was locked away, or the lock to Kingdom Hearts.

 

if u read the new report it says that there r 2 kingdom hearts aheart of worlds and a heart of men

 

im pretty sure the 3 knights are a family
-first reason: theres a man, a woman, and a boy; man + woman=boy
-second reason: the man holds back the boy to protect him like a father would
-third reason: you can see how sad the woman looks when the boy is frozen

 

Oh ok and:

Yup. So you knew it was badly's Keyblade that helped summon the heart-moon?

At first I thought that it couldn't have been the lock to KH because Nomura said it's not KH... but he never said it wasn't a lock to KH. So that's a maybe, now.

And I don't think it was something that was locked away because then he wouldn't have had to sacrifice his whole Keyblade into a whirly energy ball to open it. I think he would have done like Sora and did that whole 'unlock the keyhole' shebang.

And could be a little bit more specific? Are you saying that there are two Kingdom Hearts?

 

About the family thing : Aqua looks too young to be Ven's mother.

Yeah I knew it was Baldy's keyblade right away : you can briefly see it converting into energy.

As for the nature of that moon...I don't know : it confuses me, because its aspect screams Kingdom Hearts (like the one in TWTNW), but Nomura said it wasn't. And I can't think of any clues about it, except that it takes the sacrifice of a keyblade to reveal it (maybe's it's because it's difficult to unlock, or maybe that's just Baldy's way of opening doors...). I don't know...

 

-_- Yep. Again, I was thinking the same thing: "Maybe it's hard to summon/unlock?" That whole thing.

The only other not-really-good-clue there is, is that it's blue... and it reminds me of a moon.

... I'm going to see if I can find some craters on it... or maybe cheese... >.>

 

And then Baldy looks down on the knights and says in an ominous voice..."It's mine...the power is mine...the power of...Kingdom Cheese ! (Insert diabolical laughter)".

 

well thats all it said in the report read it urself and see wat i mean it's really weird

 

i believe larry is xehanort because if you have watched that scene in kh2 fm xehanort is talking to aqua's armor and reefers to it as a friend if im not mistaken

 

and then Aqua gasps and whips out some Rits crackers.

XD hahaha

Will do. *salute*... *blink*... Where can I find it??

Yeah. Don't think so. See Kanji's reason. I agree with it.


To all:

For my next culinary project I'll make and present the moon-heart and call it Blue Cheese.

 

hm i dont think she is that young looking but if you guys say so

 

in the updates

 

Thanks chaser, I got it. :)

By george, I think I've got it. You must read above quote if you haven't already. Now time to backtrack:

In the ending:


Theory 1:
Everything is dead. No life at all. In Sunset Horizons, you see things desintigrating behind the KO. There is no nature to come together. There is no world it would form, thus, there is no "large heart" that will come into exhistence.

Does Baldy want this world/nature/large heart? The last one, probably.


Theory 2:
It says that the nature will create a world, and in that world there is a huge heart. What if Baldy wants to unlock a world?


Theory 3:
What if that heart he summons was the heart of the world they were currently in at the time?

Theory 4:
If each world has heart and all life is connected to it then... if Baldy wanted to detroy life in a world, all he had to do was destroy the heart of it. Maybe Baldy wants to destroy all life on that world.

And lastly: Theory 5 *breaks a sweat*:
If the heart of a world is invisible, then maybe Baldy wants it visible again.... for... god knows what...

Discuss.

 

Well come on, there is what ? 5 years of difference between the two ? 10 at the very most ? That's not enough for her to be his mother.

About this Secret Report...yes that gives a lot of doors to open...so the heart of a world is formed with all life on it. What about Kingdom Hearts ? It probably means it's the heart of all worlds and thus of all life. This is where a heart goes when it's freed from its body ; but when a human's heart is freed, does it go to Kingdom Hearts or to the heart of the world he is in ? Was the Organization's Kingdom Hearts a completely artificial one ? Then what of the true Kingdom Hearts ? Where is it, how is it formed, when does a heart join it ? Oh...my brain hurts...

 

Lets hope I can help ease the pain. Ibuprofen on standby!

The organizations Kingdom Hearts was only filled when heartless died. Not when normal people were killed by nobodies (normal people defeated by heartless seemed to turn into more heartless). It suggests that the 'Kingdom Hearts' that they formed was artificial. Xemnas even says that he built it up and when its destroyed 'I'll have to start all over again'.

This is backed by the fact they closed the door to Kingdom Hearts in KH1. Although it was filled with heartless, it was also filled with Light (reaching for darkness this killed Ansem the Dizguise - a clever nickname I use for XH in KH1). Kingdom Hearts itself appears to manifest as something all our hearts contain, so it makes sense it contains both dark and light. The Heartless that we saw inside might have always been there, might have been sent by Sora, so on, so forth. Its hard to say at the moment so we'll just focus on the fact they were there.

The one Xemnas creates can't be the kingdom hearts. What he made was a ball of anger, rage and envy. Negative emotions that make your heart dark. Each time Sora released a heartless (a heart consumed with darkness that has been removed from its body) he was adding another dark heart to his creation. He seemed focused on only capturing the dark side of things leading me to believe that this couldn't be the paradise mentioned elsewhere.

I think it would be good to establish what Kingdom Hearts is with what evidence we have (and to establish if we're talking about a heart of worlds(places) or a heart of men(the people)). Its been said its a paradise, full of Light. Its been said its where hearts are born. It also contains (and was the source of?) the Heartless. I think it'd be fair to assume Kingdom Hearts can contain both dark and light. Both exist in our hearts, and are sort of required of each other for life. KH2 stressed that although Good battles Evil, you need both. A kinda democratic morality where you have left and right arguing what's best but its the cooperation of the two that eventually makes the decision. Why can't Kingdom hearts be the same?

I think the next game will focus less on 'the individuals' heart and more on the heart of worlds like the first KH. That is, the heart of the places they live. I've got some theories on dark corridors and connecting hearts of worlds (like how Sora's connected to his friends) and how Sora was locking the world's hearts (not the peoples hearts) to prevent consumption but that's for another thread. I just want to help air some ideas for you to relieve that head pain.

Yhorian

 

~_~ Kyah. It's almost 8 in the morning here and I'm at school. Shhh...

ANYWAY:

I think that if a person lives on a certain world, then their hearts are connected to the worlds' heart, and when it's freed, it would go to the heart of that world. And I think that Kingdom Hearts is... basically ALL the worlds hearts and all the hearts of everything. Hence 'Kingdom'. Not just the worlds hearts, but everything that's connected to it as well, inside and out.

I agree with your theory that Xemnas' Kingdom Hearts was a failure based on the fact that it probably was a Kingdom Hearts gone evil and not the pure KH we've been hearing so many nice things about.

I also agree that since his KH was full of negative chi, that it was bound to fail. He was creating the wrong kind of KH, the dark kind. Dark needs light. They are forever intertwined. I believe that was what Xemnas' mistake was in trying to recreate it. If he was recreating KH... then maybe something happend to the real one? But based on the reports, there are two kinds of KH. So which one was he trying to recreate? It's probable that he was trying to recreate the first example.

As for the question about KH being the same?

Biasly, and logically, if everything was the same... then it'd be too boring. That is my thought.

It certainly aired some things out.

Either that or now I've got more stuff on my mind. >.> I think I have a test today. Oh jeez... ~_~

 

ES

The E.S is Xemnas...before he wound up in Radiant Garden before all the expieriments with the "Darkness of the heart" and Ansem the Wise's ideas. Think about it, the hair looks just the same as Xehanort's. Also DiZ said that Xehanort had no memory when he was found wounded WOUNDED like as in he was in a battle. I think Baldy possed him somehow, like you know a last ditch effort to save himself. that would explain "Ansem"'s clothes in KH1 and KH:CoM when Riku fights him. As far as the suit of armor goes. Axel and Zexion are talking in the fianl mix cut scene about the room of sleep. well the experimates on memory must have worked cause Xemas remebers the girls armor. What happened to her and the boy? maybe the battle took their lives in the end...i'm not to sure.

Though back to my origanl point the E.S is the origional Xehanort, no question about it. the Movie is vague with it's little lines, but if you think you'll see that i make a good point