Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

Am I the ONLY person who thinks that baldy looks identical to a bald Yen Sid!?

 

I will agree with u on tht. which is probably why mickey brought the star keyblade to show yen-sid is not the evil type of person.but baldy does look like yen-sid.

 

Is it me or does the spiderman guy's blade looks a little like bond of flame?


Also, maybe a little bit farfetched, but....doesn't the knight look a little like Lexaeus.....?

 

That's who he reminds me of! I've been trying to figure that out. Thanks. I agree.

 

Another far idea.....
Hasn't anyone noticed that lot of the charaters look like organization members?
Brown haired knight=Lexaeus, Another knight looks like roxas, bald guy is like Xeanort Heartless......Does anyone else notice this?

 

He does resemble Lexaeus, and Lexaeus was the "Silent Hero" so maybe?
Im still into the whole Saix thing...Ive formulated my idea [I took some ideas from people here fyi!]


Ok, so heres my theory.

KHIII is going to have nothing to do with Sora/Riku/Kairi. Its going to be the story of how the nobodies became nobodies. As in somebodies! Thats why Roxas was there. Maybe Sora is Roxas nobody?!

The brown hairded guy [ES] looks EXACTLY like Saix! And you know how Xigbar was all like 'the keyblade really pickd a dud this time' well how would he know that if he hadnt been there?! If Saix was right there when Kingdom Hearts was made, it would explain how he got so high up on the superiority ranking without being in the first 6 [because they were the 'senior' members etc]

Plus, the Saix guy is tall& manly looking etc. And if he was important in creating/recreating KH, then he mightve led the 'sombodies' before xemnas came along. Maybe Ansem worked with Saix's nobody and so Xemnas and Saix were close. AND Saix's claybourne looks kinda like a keyblade.

I think it'll follow the story of the org members and how they ended up being nobodies...

My only problem is the blue haired girl. She looks EXACTLY like kairi, so saying she was Larxene is probably a strech since Larxene had green eyes. Its possible that nobodies dont nessecarily have the same eye color as their somebodies...

Maybe this girl is Kairis real nobody. Namine just didnt seem like a nobody to me. Plus her name didnt fit the nobody naming pattern....

OH AND I think its before king mickey was king mickey. So maybe he has to do with distroying KH or creating it?

AND the guy is definately Saix. LOOK AT THE HAIR, EYES, AND WEAPON. Its even blue-ish I checked. His eyebrows are blue as well o.o



THE NAMES OF THE NOBODIES COULD BE KEYLBADE NAMES.
[thanks to Twilightbear @ KH-Vids.net for the idea]
SEE:
1. XEMNAS HAS NONE. possibly because he cant use keyblades which is why he gets pissed an goes postal on everyones asses xD?
2. Freeshooter
3. Whirlwind Lancer
4. Chilly Academic
5. Silent Hero
6. Cloaked Schemer
7. Luna Diviner
8. Flurry of Dancing Flames
9. Melodious Nocturne
10. Gambler of Fate
11. Graceful Assassin
12. Savage Nymph
13. Key of Destiny

IT MAKES SENSE. THEY ALL SOUND LIKE KEYBLADE NAMES!!! And if Saixman has a keyblade, Luna Diviner makes sense! Plus he uses his his claybourne in a physical way and Saix DOESNT USE MAGIC, neither does Saixman[ES!]. Saix doesnt use magic, only physical strengh, as does Saixman.




Saix and Xigbar are linked.
They both have scars. From what you ask? THIS FIGHT. Theres speculation that Xigbar is the guy in the end, and apparently Nomura said Xigbar was somewhat related to this secret ending. Someone @ kh-vids said they saw Xigbar's symol ona keyblade. Ill try to get a cap to confirm that? Anyhow. So they both have scars and yellow eyes. The saixman's eyes turned YELLOW for a reason. Maybe that same reason happened to the other [depending whether saixman is saix or xigbar]. Either way, theyre connected. Theyre the only org members with yellow eyes and scars! OH AND THEY BOTH HAVE POINTY EARS TOO. They have to be connected! As far as Xigbar goes, he has that symbol on the end of the keyblade: Apparently its Xigbar's gun symbol from Proof of Existance in Deep Dive.

Look at this photo:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/Decaydence214/secretendingblade.jpg


AND THATS DEFINATELY ROXAS. LOOK AT HOW BEEG HIS FEET ARE!
Sorry for the ramble....what does everyone think of this? Are there loopholes? [Besides stuff weve already covered?]

 

I've got another theory, a bit based off of one of the new scenes from Final Mix+... it's the main one of mine that I think has the most potential (I have others, but they don't make quite as much sense)

First off, this entire scene takes place in the past. While I'm not sure where the old guy and his dark soldier keyblader come from, the three knights and Mickey have some more explanation.
The first soldier to attack (ES), is quite possibly Xehanort of the past. There have been many thoughts and looks on this already. There's the hair, which looks exactly like that of Xehanort in Mickey's flashback with Ansem the Wise, only brown... and the fact that his eyes turn gold at the end. And in the flashback, Xehanort's eyes looked a little bit... brownish gold? Feel free to argue me on this...
Perhaps in that battle, since we didn't see the final part of it, Xehanort did something that caused a major exertion of energy, maybe defeating the old guy, saving lots of things, and at the same time changing his appearance due to it and losing his memory.
Another thing that supports this happens with one of the new scenes in Final Mix+. Xemnas (I believe) goes into that room and talks with the knight on the floor... well, I'm not sure there's a person in that armor or not, it does look a bit empty... but that armor is that of the girl from the secret ending, keyblade and all. And he calls her a friend, which would make sense if Xemnas once fought together with her. Maybe Xemnas regained some of his memory from his previous life before losing his memory?
Also, the conversation between Zexion and Xigbar shows that Xemnas keeps visiting that room and it's calls "The Room of Sleep" or something... and he's working with its counterpart in Castle Oblivion, "The Room of Awakening". And he keeps talking to the armored person too, so perhaps he's looking for the Blond haired soldier (BHS).
This leaves the soldier that Sora fights as an optional boss battle. Although we may not know until we can see the keyblade, and even that is debatable because BHS had his keyblade shattered, BHS is the last one that is still around (assuming he completely recovered from being a human icecube), and perhaps he is the one Sora fights, since it's kind of unlikely that Xemnas would dress up in his armor to go fight Sora. Either that, or Xehanort had a twin brother with brown hair who wanted to test Sora.
Mickey seems almost especially serious and angry, and interestingly enough has the Star Seeker. He had a keyblade when he first met with Ansem the Wise, but he does not recieve the reverse Kingdom Key until sometime not long before he meets Riku. This is because when he talks to Riku in KH Final mix, he says that he's found the key to "this side", which is referring to the new key. So, the Star Seeker is his first key... also adding to that this secret ending took place in the past.
The only things I don't know about yet or haven't gotten quite to, are who the old guy and his dark soldier are, besides that there's a link between them and Xehanort (who dresses like his later on and has Riku in his dark form look very much like the dark soldier... maybe Xehanort fused with them, and that's why he lost his memory and looks different?)... there's also why the BHS looks so incredibly similar to Roxas... he possibly could be Roxas, looking at FMV pictures of both BHS and Roxas, though that would make us wonder what happened to Sora. There a lot of questions... I think we may have to see some more new scenes from KHII Final mix+ before we get much further.

Anyway, these are my speculations... the ones with the most evidence to back them up anyway.

 

I still think the brown haired knight is more like Lexaeus to me....but as for Organization XIII being in the battle....possible, as for nobodies never age so it is possible that they could have been in this fight....finally, as for the Organization members having keyblades, I kinda doubt that....It clearly states that roxas was the only member to use keyblades....

 

Well, I agree on the xigbar thing(since i posted it:D ) about the BHC like i said maybe it was kairi's grandma.read my post from earlier on page 24.

 

And for all the people who said it took place while Sora is sleeping in the capsule....That is impossible.....Mickey is holding the star seeker which everyone agrees that he got before he got his normal keyblade, after he was done training under Yen Sid. And if that is true this would have to take place before KH1 even because he had his keyblade by KH1

So, the theory that it hapened during the year while Sora is sleeping can not be true.....These events would have to happen before KH1

Edit:But there still is the chance that this is just a relived memory, like when Xemnas sits in his chair like in the PV he could be reliving (or foretelling) this event.....

 

Yeah I took that from you :D Its rather ingenious actually-
Hmmm Kairis grandma...Ill read up on your post, as i didnt see that?

EDIT:
"I just had a hugh thought in my mind. What if the BHC was kairi's granmother!!! Remember in KH1 with the scene where kairi's grandma was talking about the first war(keyblade war)? Everyone is saying that the BHC looks like kairi,it could have been her grandma."
Ok you are amazing. I totally agree with you...WOW ahh sorry but that is GREAT!!!! You are reallly good with this stuff-


Oh and remember at the end of Another Side, Another Story where the "Kairi-esque" person was? She walked like kairi and was dressed like her. Do you think it was a 'failed' concept design at KH2 Kairi? As in they liked it, but came up with the pink dress and used it instead? Or...? What are everyones thoughts on that person?

 

Alright, I am way too lazy to read all 11 pages of this topic so excuse me if I repeat a bunch of things but these are my two cents.

1. The Girl

Alright, I'll admit, I thought she was a guy. Actually, I think she could still be a guy wearing girl's armor but she walks like a girl and I don't think Disney would approve of Square's crossdressing-ness.

I did think that at first she was Ienzo, which would have complicated things. I didn't particularly want to think Zexion was actually a woman in disguise. Or anything of the sort. Actually, one of my friends thought she was Riku, but there seems to be a lot of Kairi-Nami talk.

I do think though, however, that her emotions are rather... stereotypically feminine. I know, I know, guys can be girly too, Square makes great girly guys... Girls can act butch, yeah, got it.

Although, I do think that she and the Roxas-kid have something going on romantically. I think it was the whole eye scene. It was cute.

2. The Brown-Haired Guy

The first time I saw him, I thought he was Zack. But then again, the first time I saw Xemnas, I thought he was a mix between Sephiroth and Zack. I think it was mainly the hair. Anyway, also, because the brown-haired dude's eyes changed from blue to orange at the end, I thought he might be related to Xehanort.

Anyway, he looked a lot younger in the first shots, and I thought he was related to Sora. But he looked a lot older in the ending... Someone I know said he looked like Xaldin/Dilan. I guess I see that.

Also, in the first secret ending, he jumped off what seemed to be Xemnas!Dragon and then in the collab-ending, right afterwards the bald guy showed up... More about this in the bald guy section.

3. The Roxas-Kid

Huh, I honestly think he's like Roxas's long-lost twin, except that then he would pretty much be Sora's long-lost twin. Anyway, his hair has the same curve. His eyes are the same color. He's got the same build, the same heroic attitude.

I seriously do think he's like Roxas. Except I think this was supposed to be in the past "but it could be interpreted as future" so I don't know. It pretty much can't be Roxas.

And then I was thinking "maybe Zexion" because Zexion can shapeshift and then I remembered that can't really be right either...

4. The Bald Man

Alright, well, first, before I forget, I'm going to talk about what I started in the end of the Brown-haired knight section. Okay, so Xem dragon disappears and he appears... Not to mention his outfit is almost exactly like Xehanort's Heartless's, with color changes.

Oh, and there's a shot of his boots and they look exactly like Organization boots. Except that the trim is white instead of silver and the bottom is white instead of black. But seriously.

So I thought he might be Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's Heartless, except I think this was in the past. And also, he uses ice, which Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless don't. Plus, he has pointy ears.

Oh, and also, his knight-lookalike looks kind of like Riku's darkmode.

I also thought he might have been Saix because his weapon is slightly claymore-like but... that didn't make any sense in my head.

P.S. I really think that we need abbreviations. Did we decide on any?

P.P.S. Anyone notice how Mickey was holding the Yen Sid keyblade? What's up with that?

 

i believe that the chasers are good to a sense. my theory is that they are searching for all the keyblades at any cost (that's why you have to fight him) and bringing them to that desert world fearing that they will cause destruction. Although, Xehanort (who i think the old guy is) is interfering and trying to get the keyblades for his own reasons.

 

YAY!! someone agrees with me!!

 

Ok. Recalling the cross road that Sora was on in KH:COM for GBA... The King and Riku were on that same cross road in the game. Fastforwarding to the 1st secret ending --> The 3 soldiers picked up the three keyblades that belonged to them! Just throwin' that out there.

 

I think the who's eyes change at the end, the one they call ES I think, is xehanort!

His hairstyle is the same the middle slicked back with the sides shaggy, the face even resembles a very young Xehanort. He probably was effected by the sight of kingdom hearts in someway that made him lose his memories so he spent years wandering till he ends up at radiant garden( I know thats a little vague...) THen he starts tinkering with hearts and all that stuff we know about to recover these lost memories. THis makes me think was Xemnas really doing anything bad, kiling heartless is good and the hearts have to go somewhere. Plus everyone who lost their heart could get it again now (yay!....) Heartless Xehanort or "Ansem" now he's bad cause, well, he's a heartless and darkness is all they know.

This leads me to the next part, the why. Wemnas wanted to remember this bald guy to get revenge. He was a keyblader warrior, a hero and he needs to get that back. He's the one who can stop him but without a heart he cant remember or summon a keyblade.

Maybe the bald guy and the knights were chasers and the bald guy turned on them using the keyblade for evil, like the two legends say. I also think the bald guys clothes resemble Heartless Ansem cause subconcsiously he it modeled itself after the most evil person that was locked in its memories.

All I know is I'm starting to think nobodies weren't bad as bad as people thought...

 

"One brought chaos..."
They must be talking about Sora and Roxas! Roxas brought chaos but Sora did not.
Maybe they are older here and have forgotten all about Kingdom Hearts.
Thats my theory, any opposers?

 

I actually think the RK is Xehanort. 3 reasons. 1, The E.S, is fought by Sora, 2, BHC' armor is in that room with Xemnas, and 3, Xehanort was appartantly young when Ansem found (from the secret Ansem reports and Xigbar).

 

Darn, beat me to it!

My theory is this:
Xehanort was once a great Warrior of the Keyblade. He was in fact the tallest knight who tried to stop Baldy from taking Kingdom Hearts. In his first attempt, he and his companions failed and King Mickey had to stop Baldy. Xehanort was enraged by this failure and turned to the Darkness (his eyes turn yellow; the same as Baldy). The second time Baldy appears is after each knight takes up a second keyblade. At this point they are strong enough to defeat Baldy, but Baldy’s evil lives on as he was able to arouse darkness in Xehanort’s heart and cause Xehanort and the others (possibly including the King) to forget the events that had transpired. The battle had almost killed Xehanort and for some reason he ended up in Hollow Bastion and his hair had turned gray. Once Ansem the Wise began to study the depths of the heart, Baldy’s work of trying to capture Kingdom Hearts began anew in Xehanort. Xehanort used the same power Baldy used (to unlock Kingdom Hearts) to open the door in Ansem’s basement.

ONLY BALDY"S KEYBLADE HAS A KEY CHAIN; NOT EVEN THE ONES LAYING AROUND HAVE THEM!

 

More Random Speculation HERE!!!

I may just be stating the obvious or something that may have been posted earlier, but did any of you notice that the Keyblade the U.E.G was holding up until he summoned "Kingdom Hearts" in the sky? The Keyblade suddenly changed into the glowing purple/red colored orb which was launched up into to the sky to summon the supposed "Kingdom Hearts".

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Here you see the Keyblade becoming/changing/morphing into the orb.

I believe the Keyblade the U.E.G used was the "key" to unlock the true power of Kingdom Hearts (unless Nomura changes his mind and really does make a Kingdom Hearts III). This Keyblade would bypass other ways of getting to Kingdom Hearts including the gathering of many hearts into something like a MOON (found in the sky - KHII) or a DOOR (End of the World - KHI). Although what was summoned in the ending was a blue-ish heart-shaped moon.

Any other thoughts on this and linking this other theories and such... something-something-something.... BLEH?!