Kingdom Hearts II Discussion of Secret Ending

possibly^^
I think that he was definately there at the time...
just thought of aother way saix and xigbar are connected: they both have pointy ears!:D

Yea I think it follows the whole somebody to the nobody pattern

 

they're keebler elves ^ ^

 

Exactly.If they were all keyblade wielders then it is possible tht the organization was an important role in the keyblade war.And if u played Com and watch some scenes in Kh2fm+ they are always fighting.in which the E.S and baldy fighting each other.

 

one question left....where did xehanort come from. He's too young to be baldy. and he was always trying to recover his memory. first by seeking darkness to unlock the memories in his heart. Then by seeking KH as a nobody in order to retrieve his heart so that he could remember...damn xehanort is a charity case. how come no one in kingdom hearts is all the way bad?!

and plus they formed the organization in the first place which means that some how they felt they were meant to be united. Considering that all of their memories resided in past emotions and that they could've all went their seperate ways

 

Birth by sleep maybe.maybe he was born out of darkness or kindom hearts it self.because of all the hearts it can restore someones soul.aka baldy probably

 

they said that everything began in darkness...so maybe he was born from darkness in an extremity. maybe the world had so much light and peace that psycho path came out as a natural balancer.

 

I think I know where he's going with this......... never mind. SORRY!:D

 

looking at that screen cap...I'm positive it ain't xigbar...the facial structure is all wrong. and you'd think that he'd smirk a bit since xigbar seems to get a kick out of fighting. Sorry Baig, i bet you were a keyblader but you ain't this one.


So anyone have an idea of where the hell Xehanort came from?

 

time for my speculation:

1.the old guy must be related to xehanort in some way. he could be another form of him other then a nobody or a heartless, since xemnas was the nobody and fake ansem was the heartless.
since:
body+soul-heart=nobody
body+heart-soul=death
heart+darkness-body-soul=heartless
heart+soul-body=?????
if a body loses a heart and a soul, then the body becomes an empty shell. then the heart and soul creates a ??????. since it has no physical being/body, it could possibly replicate itself like wat the old guy did. he split himself into 2 beings.

2.if the stuff i said up there doesnt happen, then the old guy is either a RLLY good mage/scientist/magician who is good at replicating and other spells or a completely new guy who just HAPPENS to dress up like xehanorts heartless.(unlikely)

i dont noe if ne1 put a speculation up that is similar to this 1, but i dont have the time to read every single page...

 

nope. this is the first one i've seen

doubt he's a form of xehanort...he's way too old and creepy...Xehanort is kinda hot and this guy is an old geezer

 

Quick theory to add~ (or not, after typing it out. xD) Sorry if it's been said before, I read up to page 10 of this thread and gave up.

If it's both in the past and the present (or future, did Nomura-sama say? It's past midnight, my brain is no longer functioning), maybe it's like the spheres in FFX-2, except, not really. Like, maybe Sora and the crew are world-hopping to collect these and piece together the rest of the history of the Keyblades and Ansem's research and stuff. .-. So the scene is taking place in the past, but it's also in the present/future, because they're replaying it some how.

Maybe not Sora and crew, but I really like the idea of searching for hints to the past. I wouldn't want to just play through the past, I think it would be much more interesting to search for it in pieces.

Edit: And another thing, after reading the last few posts. I like the idea of baldy being DiZ. Xehanort seemed to look up to him, so maybe his Heartless copied his fashion sense, not the other way around. And I totally stole that from some one on this forum, but I don't remember who. Sorry for lack of credit. ><

 

Going off-topic here but this has to be the longest topic I have made in my life >.>

Sorri.

Anyway, I think a lot of people made the theories that the old man was Xehanort because of the similar appearance of KH I Xehanort's Heartless.

My friend theorizes that the leader of the Knights is Xehanort. Now I don't exactly agree with it but he also states that Mickey somehow travels back in time to say, I dont know, prevent something from happening? It is indeed possible but I find it hard to believe.

Anyone wants to theorize that the two knights besides the leader are lovers?

 

This is all just assumptions, speculation, theories and opinions, it may or may not happen in the next installment.

"The keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power"
"One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another say he wrought chaos and ruin upon it"
"I must know what this keyblade is, A key opens door"
"Master of keyblade"
"The lost two"
"Memory of Xehanort"
"Chasers"
"Keyblade war"
"It all begin with..."
"Birth by sleep"
"The sealed tale of the truth"
"Theres no such thing as coincidence in fate"
"All the fates have been set"
"After a long time, each fate... will await the awakening of the new tale"

"The keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power": The keyblade holds phenomenal power, but what power? They never told us what power it holds in a keyblade. We know that the keyblade only chooses a person with a strong heart. Therefore, we can kind of link this together
(Gives) (Converts)
Strong heart -------> Heart's Energy/Power --------> Keyblade's strength ---------------------> Keychain
(Creates)
So we can conclude that the keyblade is actually sucking (lol maybe not a good word to use) the power/energy of a heart out of a person to create a keychain.

"I must know what this keyblade is, A key opens door" and "Chasers": The keyblade holds such phenomenal power that makes everyone want to use it for their own personal goals. Chasers are people who are chasing for the phenomenal power behind this keyblade

"Master of keyblade" and "Keyblade war": It seems like so far we have seem at least 9 keybladers throughout the whole series (which does not include Roxas). Therefore, we can't say theres only one true keyblade master. So we can conclude that there are MANY keybladers out there. So in the past, there must be alot of people who used keyblade to fight in a war. This explains why there are so many rusty keyblades in the group which seems like graveyards. If you look closely at the positionly of the keyblades in the first kh2 trailer, you will see its like a group of soldier lining up in a group to form a path (You might not get this point, but try watch some japanese ancient war games video such as Sengoku Musou and you will see).

"It all begin with..." "Birth by sleep": When a keychain is formed, the heart's energy and power is stored in there. Once a person uses a keyblade, it will use the energy stored in the keychain.
Heart's energy/power + Keyblade's strength <----> Keychain
Its like in chemistry, equilibirium equation, when one side used something, the other side must generate more to keep this system working. Once the energy of the heart runs out, the whole process will stop. The keychain disappears, which forms a chainless keyblade and the energy stored in it will be release and create something esle (which is like the heartless and nobodies theory).
No heart energy --------> Chainless keyblade -------> Keychain destory ----------> Energy form something esle
When lots of energy is release from the keychain it will create an enormous power. This enormous power creates the BU. (BU is non-human, heartless, nobodies). We can also say birth by sleep means BU sleeps deep in everyone hearts waiting to be awaken through the keyblade. Therefore, it all begin with the keyblade
Excess use of keyblades -------> Large amount of keychain destory ---------> Alot of energy is formed -----> BU is created

"The sealed tale of the truth" : The sealed tale behind the truth of the keyblade (pretty much explainable if you read my theory)
"Theres no such thing as coincidence in fate" : Of course this fate is not conincidence, because the keybladers were the cause of this fate.
"All the fates have been set" : Once the keyblade is used, the fate is set, BU will be created.
"After a long time, each fate... will await the awakening of the new tale" : After long uses of the keyblade, BU will awaken

"One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another say he wrought chaos and ruin upon it" and "Memory of Xehanort": Refers to BU and the tall knight Xehanort who sealed BU.

"The lost two": Still can't think of anything for this just for now

I posted this on kh2uk, but properly nobody bother reading it so.. oh well

 

Ok, here's my thoughts about the secret ending so far.
The guy ho appears with the Riku-like clothing is a clone or something of the bald guy.
With the fact that the bald guy had yellow eyes, the brown haired knight was so eager to fight him and also had yellow eyes at the end, i'd say they are somewhat related.
The blond guy does look like Roxas.
The bald guy transforms his keyblade into that energy ball que fires at the sky.
Complete absence of Kingdom Key, Mickey's keyblade and Way to Dawn.
At the end, where mickey show up at the scene, he can be in the future, after the battle took place. I don' think he appears at the same time of the fighting.
Also, when mickey appears, it doesn't show any of the keyblades that were there. (i know he could be far away, but when it shows the mountain, we would be able to see them, there were so many)

 

hy i saw something in the vid
u know thw roxas look alke....well he isnt ded when u see him frozen look at his eyes there still moving

 

Yeah..Watched the video. I think that I can die happily xD. It was just soooo amazing!!
The mr. evil guy was kinda scary no? And his heartless budy? Was kinda cool.
When I saw the guy who looked lika a Roxas I was just amazed . He looks so alike, I think this is becoming more and more interesting.
I Wish I can get my hands on the KH2FM

 

All my theories about the new ending are on this thread, but feel free to discuss them on this one, so we don't have mutliple threads going.

http://kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=7941

 

I asked the exact same thing in another post.i forget what it was.BUT I believe they were lovers or are lovers.but many others said brother and sister and good friends.

I just had a hugh thought in my mind. What if the BHC was kairi's granmother!!! Remember in KH1 with the scene where kairi's grandma was talking about the first war(keyblade war)? Everyone is saying that the BHC looks like kairi,it could have been her grandma.

 

well regarding the ending and peple saying its a prequle i say its not becuse if it was a prequle mickey wouldnt be in the picture becuse mickey dosunt get his keyblade untill he finds it in the dark relm durring KH1.

but anyway, that bald guy is either an old version of xanort's heartless or a totley new bad guy idk the blue haird person i though was a guy but im think that its a she insted of a him and about the BHS i dont think thats roxas becuse how could it? unless he was on a good side group befor he landed in twilight town and was recuted by Xemness. at lest thats sorta my therie :)

 

Woaw... I just spent the last two hours reading over this topic. Lol. There are many interesting theories here! Some were too far-fetched in my opinion, others weren't far-fetched enough!

However, I am surprised to see that only ONE other person that replied here had the same idea about the third soldier, the one who's eyes turn yellow... That that person might be Axel's somebody. In his mannerisms he reminded me so much of Axel! The way his neck snaps when he looks up at baldy at a certain moment, the way he, at a certain point in the battle, is on fire, literally, yet doesn't die! And then at the end... His eyes... In my opinion, they do not really change, not necessarily permanently (perhaps they do, but we don't know...) What I see in those eyes... is fire!
The hair... When I looked at the brown hair of that person, like shown a couple of pages before on this topic, the piccie of the brown-haired soldier... Just take those locks of hair, put some gel in them and put them up in a pointy way and... tadaaaa! Axel.
(Well, that's what I see)

What I think about the haircuts of this Xehanort/Axel/Roxas characters or whoever the guys with the helmets are... Don't look too much at hair color (cause this is different between nobodies/somebodies) but also, keep in mind: they are wearing helmets. Therefor they have helmet hair. XD Lol. HELMET HAIR!
(Just keep that in mind)

I'm not saying I don't get the people who say it's Xehanort... It could very well be him, but I'm afraid not a single theory here is very strong (we know too little, like with the previous secret ending movie), so I'm just gonna stick to my own, first initial reaction so I can confuse you guys even more. XD lol.

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So much about my idea of the identity of the brown-haired soldier. If the blond-haired soldier really is Roxas like so many claim, it would add another dimension to the friendship between Roxas and Axel, because they have been together for longer than just their time in the World that Never Ends, if only in a parallel world or I dunno what.

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The clip takes place in both the past and the future. Then the question is: what belongs to the past? And what belongs to the future?
I will try and make my speculations clear through a way of storytelling. Please bear with me.

There is this lifeless planet near the moon of Kingdom Hearts. On this planet is a graveyard of keyblades. And three soldiers. A man, a girl and a boy. Their job has something to do with these keyblades. When were they there? In the past? In the present? In the future?
It is my belief that they have been guarding this place since the past.

Back to the ending of the second game. (present?) All nobodies are defeated. Sora, Riku and Kairi are reunited on their home island. In their last moments in the second game, we see them getting a letter from Mickey.

That letter is most probably a cry for help. What I think that happened is that somebody came and took Mickey's keyblade. This evil bald man also has ALL the powers of the nobodies that died inside of him (it is my belief he obtained all these powers AFTER all the nobodies, including Xehanort died... Also why he has resemblances with so many nobodies... He is not one single nobody, he is a collection of all of them or atleast their powers...).
With this nobody-strength, he could easily obtain Mickey's keyblade from him to go to the past and do something to kingdom hearts, for Mickey's Key opens Kingdom Hearts, doesn't it?

Mickey travels to Yen Sid, his master, who probably knows more about the evil bald man. Like the fact that baldie has gone back in time, to do something to Kingdom Hearts. Mickey gets the time-travelling keyblade from yen-sid (again?) and goes to the planet near Kingdom Hearts.

Over there, Mickey is too late to stop baldie's plans, for he has already done something to Kingdom Hearts. The man, girl and boy from the past could not stop old baldie. We see Mickey looking at the oddly shaped hill and Kingdom Hearts on a place where a battle was fought after sunset.

Tum tum tum...
What happens next?
I suppose Mickey goes on to figure out what baldie's plans are and in the meanwhile we get to play with Sora to chase Mickey all over the universe again, in search for clues.