Kingdom Hearts II Did they have hearts?

What do you think? Did Roxas and Namine have hearts?

I do believe that they have hearts. In Chain of Memories, Namine acts like she cares about Sora and his friends when she finally meets them. And Roxas acts like he has emotions. I'm sure there are tons of examples, but I chose not to waste my time listing them.

 

No. They're Nobodies, therefore they don't have hearts.
As it's been said in the game, they remember feelings. But they think that they have emotions.
Goes along with Xemnas's Rage Rant. He wants to feel anger and whatnot, but he can't, since he doesn't have a heart. So he asks Kingdom Hearts for a heart.

In-game laws are a wonderful thing.

 

DPWolf is right...I'm getting sick of seeing these countless theories about Roxas having a heart, he merged with Sora because he had half of Sora; not including the heart. Therfore, no, no hearts for either of them. Sympathy, does that really count as an emotion?

 

I've always thought of sympathy as a state of mind. I think sympathy is mental, empathy is the emotion.
And seriously, you're right, Dredica. If one person's wrong about them having hearts, AND THE GAME STATES IT, then no, they don't have hearts, no matter how much fans would like it. =\

And your keyword here is ACTS!
Acting means putting on a show. Not actually being so.

For example, if you're in a play and you're acting the part of Romeo, that doesn't make you Romeo. You're simply pretending.

 

I think they did. Roxas cried after all when Sora was leaving for Yensid's tower at the beginning of the game. Not only this, but he got really emotional while fighting Riku. Namine also has a heart.

Why can I say this?

They never dissappeared.

not true. this is what we call the literary device known as A twist. The game ultimately does not matter. The game is a series of programs and pixels and nothing more. The laws come from Nomura, and he can do whatever he wants with them. This wouldnt be the first time that he has done so anyway. Besides this, we dont know all that there is to know about kingdom hearts so we cannot form laws so suddenly, especially with 3 new games coming.

 

...Neither did any of the Organization. Nobodies DO NOT have hearts; they have MEMORIES of emotions. When I remember being sad, I sometimes cry, if it was a bad enough memory. I also remember something said to me by someone, and I get angry, even if it's days after the event.

Um. Kingdom Hearts isn't literature. And don't talk to me as if I'm ******ed, please. :3
We can't make up what happens and what is SAID in-game. There's a fantastic thing called a plot that is in games.
And dialouge. That's a plus too. >_>;;

So...basically, you're saying that despite everything said, done, and displayed in the game is crap and these theories are totally justified?

 

I think Roxas had a part of his Heart by the Keyblade connection he had. I don't feel he had the whole thing though and believe he's connected to Ven and what remained of his Heart probably went to Sora when he was a kid.

As for Namine, no, I don't think she had a Heart. The important thing to remember though with all the Nobodies is that though they had no Hearts, they did have Souls and also could recall their feelings before they were Nobodies, even if in Roxas's case and Namine's, they may not have remembered who they were. I think Namine though knew she was Kairi's Nobody because she makes a comment in CoM that she is Kairi's shadow.

The game does make it rather clear that the Nobodies had no Hearts and Roxas may really be the only exception to having a portion of one because his power is 'Light' and also he has a Keyblade by his connection to Sora, and later they change to two because of his connection through Sora to Riku and Kairi. It's clear though he didn't have his whole Heart though or else he wouldn't have been a Nobody at all.

 

Roxas didn't cry, he could only let his emotions out as Sora, thus making him cry. So he had emotions because he had a heart with Sora, thus he could have the emotion of sadness, and cry. Step by step really.

 

Vexen 'acted' like a genius,but he didnt have a heart.
Larxene 'acted' like a *****,but she didnt have a heart.

Having a heart and 'acting' are two different things...So yeah,they're nobodies..

 

I think Roxas had a heart though...he even suprised himself with his emotions during the roxas vs riku fight

Riku: "Whats the matter Sora? You know im winning"
Roxas: "IM THE ONE WHOSE WINNING! *grabs mouth*"

I'm pretty sure Roxas can express emotions and not just act like he does. Besides that, hes a keyblade master. Keyblades are:
attracted to the strength of someone's heart

if Roxas never had a heart, then why would he be able to control the keyblade? Please dont say they're Sora's keyblades, because while Roxas had Oblivion and Oathkeeper, so did Sora, meaning that the Roxas versions were entirely his own. Not only this, but the keys behaved like normal keyblades (the kingdom key did) he could lock and unlock everything he pleased.

not only this, but there's the Ven factor...

first off, I hope that you didnt think I was being a jerk, I wasnt trying to be...sorry if I offended you...O.O

anyway to answer your question:
no. I'm saying Kairi has the right to post something like this because there is a lot about Roxas and perhaps Namine that we do not know, the biggest thing being if Roxas had a heart or not. Even Axel was unsure and he was a full blown nobody...but I digress...

what I'm saying is, theres a huge plot hole in kingdom hearts considering the "nobody laws," as you so put it. This is also why I suggested that Nomura was planning a twist:

The "laws" state that when someone looses they're heart, they turn into a heartless, but a nobody shell is left behind that can think, plan and act on its own.
right?
so then...in kh1 Sora turned into a heartless, (meaning he lost his heart) and Roxas was born. Kairi, restored Sora, and because of this Roxas has no memories of him being Sora.

1) If Roxas and Sora were alive at the same time the shell of a human and a former heartless of a human, then what happened? Did Sora go all that way to TWTNW without a heart? A human and a human's nobody cannot coexist at the same time based on that law thing. And we saw both of them show emotion now and then. Either they split the same heart (weird) or neither of them had one, and the second one cannot be true.

 

no..they didnt have hearts because they were Nobodies which clearly dont ahve Hearts xD


and dont say "well what if they werent nobodies" they were cuz they fused with Kairi and Sora

 

You all have good points. I have slightly changed my opinion. I believe that they have partially completed hearts.

I mean, Roxas is Sora's nobody and Namine is Kairi's, so I think that they're special. Maybe since Sora and Kairi are alive, part of their heart is stored where Namine and Roxas's hearts would be.

 

thats what I believe too...glad we agree

 

They acted like they had a heart but in what was said. they don't, they just felt what little remnants of a heart. They were left with a few emotions of what it felt like but they didn't have hearts to comprehend and use the emotions correctly.​

 

No, they didn't have hearts...I'd love to think that they did. I mean, they mimic the emotions well, but...I guess not all dreams can come true.

 

I have a theory. After ven was frozen his heart past from his own body to sora's and stayed there for 10 long years.When sora unlocked his heart along kiari's and i think Vens.I think that when sora went into his deep sleep after Castle Oblivion , the reason why sora needed roxas(ven) because after awhile soras body became dependent on vens heart.I think after ten long years of residing within sora vens heart became a part of him.That is why he just faded into him.He didn't have to fade into sora,the reason sora needed roxas is because retained most of soras memories.

 

Aside from the fact that I couldn't understand most of what you said, daxma...Sora was born with a heart. Otherwise he'd be dead. >_>;;

And has it been proven that Roxas is Ven? 'Cause remember, BBS takes place before the KH games, right?
We know almost nothing about Ven and the others, since the game isn't out yet, so I don't think it's right to assume things about the hearts.
Also, in Hollow Bastion, Sora stuck the dark Keyblade into himself, releasing any hearts in him (Kairi and his own). Had Ven's heart been there, it also would be gone.

 

DP what i'm saying is that sora became dependent on having two hearts in him.
When you talk about the hollow bastion incident your forgeting that Roxas materialised
there which means it could have been directly transfered to twilight town.

 

The only two hearts he had was his and Kairi's. True.

Roxas materialized, yes, but Roxas is a Nobody and therefore does not have a heart. The Heartless side of Sora absorbed his heart (or however Heartless collect hearts), and Kairi's returned to her body.