Kingdom Hearts II Demyx's death compared to the rest.

I totally agree with that. It seemed like out of all the nobodies Axel and Demyx seemed to show the most emotion which is what made their deaths tragic.

 

Not really. Larxene in CoM also had a very animated death in which she was surprised she was fading away, just as Demyx did. Axel had accepted his fate, same with Xigbar, but Demyx and Larxene both were actually more surprised that they were fading which was weird. Demyx probably wasn't a bad guy before he joined the Organization and as such, his demeanor he had made him more the Organization's gopher boy that was sent to do menial tasks and well, they did I think find him expendable. I did feel bad when he vanished but at the same time, there is nothing saying he did not meet up with his Somebody again, as Axel did. Some, if not all the Org may reappear as whole people, or not. Nomura left that pretty open to interpretation.

I don't really think his death was different from the other Nobodies though. The body on each Nobody could only take so much and I think all of them pushed themselves to the limits when they fought instead of well, pulling back, which might be because they have no real sense of emotional sensory or pain receptors the same way we do to admit they are exhausted and out. Axel seemed to be the only Nobody that would fight a couple times and you'd assume he might be dead but he'd show up again later, so he obviously had a sense of when he was going too far for his body to take it. Others though may just not have realized it and that may be why there was surprise for Larxene and Demyx, while others just collapsed and said a line or two all calmly and then went on to die. Normal deaths don't happen that way really. So I think it's just a part of their condition as Nobodies. That's my theory on it any way, and nothing real 'official'.

 

I agree, there was nothing special about Demyx's death. The light was just pure coincedence. Larxene and Xigbar were bad but they had noticable emotions too.

 

Hmm. If you compare the darkness surrounding their body it is quite obvious that Larxene had more darkness than Demyx so that means she was more evil than him and she faded away faster.


Demyx was more upset when his Sitar left him and then after that he started to break down and then he started fading away slowly.

Larxene actual line was "No, I refuse to lose to a bunch of losers!" She had more darkness fading from her body than Demyx.

Axel may have accepted his death, but his darkness was fading away in slowly.

I wasn't going by who had the most animated death just the ones who had the least darkness surrounding them which was Axel and Demyx.

 

Hey, you have potential in theories, and speculations etc. I can add you if you wish.

 

Their bodies are composed of Darkness and an Element. Water is slow and brighter and it was daylight. I am not seeing how their bodies breaking up was so much different. The point I made was that it took her by surprise just as it did him. It doesn't matter what she 'said'. It matters that her death took her utterly by surprise too.

 

I guess you are right for a matter of fact then.

 

Technically it looked like a sunset setting to me when Demyx faded away.

By studying the pattern on seeing how each indivdual faded away and watching utube is how I got the idea on the members fading away in darkness pattern. It is true some members had more darkness than others.

Lexaesus was shocked when he got defeated by Riku and he turned away in shame. Zexion was shocked and couldn't believe he lost to Riku as well. Zexion then fade away like that, but he was stil shocked. I think Saix was shocked as well.

 

Well yes, but the point I was making is only even more shown by bringing Lexaeus, Zexion into it. I just was saying Larxene to show the dramatic surprise but those two could count as well. The deal is I think the Nobodies themselves don't realize how far they push these 'new bodies' until it's too late and essentially burn themselves out. This is why I say, I don't feel Demyx's death was anymore different than the others as they all faded and some with elements. Axel's element was canceled out in the English version but if the Org member was using the element at the time of expiration of the body, it did do something. Demyx was still trying to fight when he was then finding out there was nothing left. Larxene was taken off guard and surprised and then ranted a line. Lexaeus failed and said so as he accepted his time was done. I think they just really didn't know it was over until finally they feel their bodies breaking up. They all were made of Darkness and the Element attached. Just because Demyx possibly had a less 'dark' soul than the others doesn't mean his death was lighter.

Only two beings broke apart in white and black that I recall and that was Xemnas and Riku Replica. Demyx died as all other Nobodies did. They had their slight variations due to how they quit fighting and their elements but there's nothing else there.

 

Yeah that would be great.

Getting back to the topic, I still feel there was a reason behind the differences of the nobodies vanishing into the darkness. We don't know if they actually did die so I won't mention the words death, die or died. Being defeated or vanishing into the darkness seems more appropriate.

I strongly feel the difference of Larxene's defeat compared to Demyx's was different in some respect. For one thing Larxene didn't cry out when she lost her weapon which means it wasn't as vital to her and she appeared to have the figting spirit to go on and defeat Sora at his own game, proving to herself that she would accomplish her selfish conspiring goals wiith Marluxia therefore making her soul darker than Demyx.

Demyx however dropped to one knee with one hand down on the ground, and didn't get back up until he noticed his sitar disapate. He knew he had been beaten and he was clearly scared in the back of his mind. From that happening to his possession that he must of had a very strong connection to, he most likely felt his strength leaving him and knew his time had come even though he acted like even one of us would when faced with the uncertainity of what is going to happen next. He acted as if he had a heart before he vanished intot the darkness otherwise he would not moaned, cried out in sheer terror and seem to sob or cry before the darkness took him.

Also remember Demyx is the only organization member to cry out in either phyiscal or emotional pain and agony and hang his head in defeat while being on his knees. This is proven in the japanese and american versions of the game.

 

All of them had expressions and Demyx wasn't 'heartbroken'. His personality was the way it was and his cry out was a reflection of that. I still am not seeing it as different since all of the members had unique personalities and expressed it. Demyx's death wasn't more 'sincere' to me than say Saix's or Xigbar's and they went more 'quiet' into the night but still it was 'sad' to us. I pointed out Larxene's because she had energy and surprise. Demyx did too. No, they didn't act 'exactly' the same but in no way was Demyx hurting more than any other Nobody that vanished. He slumped down and was exhausted and his body broke apart. His element was a part of his disappearance. In the end, as I said before, the only two to die with Light and Dark were Xemnas and Repliku, and Repliku can't necessarily be counted.

I see the points you are trying to make but I think you are looking too deep into it to make some statement that he was not 'as bad' as the others so his death looked different. I'm not seeing that this is the case. He slumped over from exhaustion as the others did. Yes, he is more dramatic but -all- of the Nobodies were overdramatic in their displays of emotion that they lacked. Even Saix was overdramatic in playing the stoic distant manipulator and then at the end with his vanishing says "Where is my heart?" which gave fans some feelings for the guy. Axel and Larxene were vibrant in personality as was Demyx, always gesturing with hands and body language. Vexen's eyes and eyebrows were always doing weird things and he had a creepy voice. Marluxia was always trying to act very smooth and in control yet too much so perhaps. Xemnas was very full of expression, Xigbar, etc. Demyx's personality fit the way he would vanish in words etc but there were no special things to his death over the others. Their bodies are made of what they are, regardless of how 'good' or 'bad' they were in nature. Axel even pretty well 'repented' and changed sides and yet he too died with fire and blackness. What makes Demyx so special?

 

To me he just stands out above the rest of the members because of his personaility and his two sides Like I said before Demyx is a very unique character and his line( "You shouldn't judge anyone by appearance.") has a lot of meaning and significane to his character overall. It conveys a message over the plot of what Master Yin said to Sora about nobodies such as they have no hearts therefore are not capable of feelings.

It also conveys a message to the player who plays as Sora. Sora was clearly being tested and had he fallen for Demyx's deciet he would surely failed which proves that Sora is naive and could of gotten himself killed by following his heart.

The way Demyx expresses himself when he was defeated shows to me that he clearly wanted to remain the way he was and that he expressed sorrow maybe out of regret because he never got to experience what it actaully felt like to have a heart even though he actually acted like he did have one. He seemed to be the happiest of the organization which would also explain why he hated to fight therfore his failure to defeat Sora and disappearance into the shadows was more of a blow to him if anything else

 

I do see what you are saying here, but don't feel the death itself was any different. Anyone could say any of the Nobodies expressed things when they were vanishing. His death was one of the ones that did get to me too as in I felt bad for him since he seemed to be the gopher boy for the Org and probably had he not been in the Org he might have been alright. Of course, I feel that way about a couple other members too who had they been let to develop on their own, probably they could have been fine and even been allies with Sora and maybe, who knows, could have gotten Hearts out of the deal. He is a cool character and his death was one of the more sad scenes in KH2 because I kind of felt it was not necessary and he was set up to die since Xemnas was right there around the corner.

Sora is naive, yes, and he follows his heart a bit too much to the point where he misses some rather obvious things, but I don't really pin his death on Sora. I more pin it on he was used and put there by the Org to keep Sora busy and buy them more time. After all, he didn't have to show up right then and there and Xemnas was not so far away and could have helped out. Also, it was clear that Saix was around too. Really, he was just not Org material in the end and was a write off to them I felt.

 

Hmmm interesting. I wonder if there is a topic about Demyx's character on this forum. Yeah so anyway you make a lot of good points; however, I'm conviced that Demyx was Organization XIII material otherwisel he would not of been recriuted by which ever member who found him. This point also goes back to the melidious nocturne having two sides and the "true self" that was revealed in the game to Sora was most likey why he became part of the organization.

As for Demyx appearing to face off Sora was maybe he couldn't find Xemnas or Saix or maybe for failing to defeat Sora the first time in the underworld he was afraid of what might happen to him so he avoided Xemnas and Saix. Of course these are speculations since none of us know yet. One can only assume I suppose.

I do agree with your point of the remaining members of the organization did probaly see him as a nuissance and a failure for not completiing his mission and probaly for other things in the past that we don't know yet, but the imcompedency that Demyx protrays could also be deciet so not to viewed as a threat by the other members. Regardless Demyx was like the black sheep of the organization and therefore they sent him on a suicide mission knowing he would fail for the very last time.

 

I looked at Xaldins death scene again and it looks a bit like wind is coming, so i think its just of the element...

 

Yeah, when I said he was not Org material, I meant more or less he was a black sheep. He did seem to just get stuck with menial things and he didn't necessarily do some of the bigger crimes the Org were guilty of. He contributed to things but wasn't a big contender. What's funny is the fight was very difficult versus him the second time and it shows he had the potential to be a badass and also go for the kill, but at the same time, he didn't like to fight. It does make me ponder questions about Demyx before he became a Nobody. He must have been pretty afraid of a lot or come from a situation that really spooked him and carried over for him to act out as a Nobody. Studying all of the Nobodies' reactions to things in a way gives some clues into their pasts since all of them except for Roxas knew of their pasts.

You are very insightful and I can see around here if you remain, you will be a great contributor to conversations.

 

Umm Xemnas wasn't right around the corner.

In the current events, Actually Xemnas wasn't even there at all when Demyx faded away, someone knocks out Goofy, and then it was the 1,000 heartless Sora had to worry about and then after that Xemnas showed up later smirking at him, talked a bit and then King Mickey followed him to the World that Never Was. Axel made his presence known, but we don't know how long he was there and he did seem pretty upset with Sora. So maybe I am guessing he could of had some sympathy for Demyx since he and Demyx were the only ones who seem to want Roxas back in the Organization. Which seems interesting and perhaps they had some kind of friendship or something one time before Roxas left the organization.

Then again we don't know if Demyx's confrontation with Sora was accidental or purposely for him to carry on his duty because Demyx's reaction with his head slightly tilted down showed that he really didn't want to fight Sora much like Axel didn't want to fight him again in COM. Or it could mean it was the wrong person that he was looking for (for all we knew he could of been looking for Axel since he didn't see him as a traitor like the other members) and that he knew that he would have to fight anyway just because he was there now.. Either way Demyx's first confrontation with Sora was just either a test or Demyx was just playing around with him. In the second fight Demyx seemed more like he had a vendetta against Sora (Roxas) by the way his tone changed, because he knew he was a traitor to the Organization and then after that Demyx let Sora know he could indeed fight.

Yes it is clear that Xenmas didn't care about the well being of his members except for Saix who held special meetings with him in KH 2 FM. Saix would do anything for Xenmas which is why the leader appointed him as his second in command since he acted upon it. Another interesting thing in KH 2 FM was that while the other members were there they talked about Demyx and then another cut scene they talked about Axel. So I see some kind of connection to it.

 

This was just pure coincedence that Demyx had light in his death. It's not a symbol or anything.

 

Xemnas and Saix were on the world. I don't see how Xemnas shows up just a few minutes after but wasn't there all along. It kind of makes no sense. Also, Axel shows up, then Saix. They were also orchestrating what the Nobodies were doing. Once Sora defeats Demyx and goes on, Goofy is hit in the head, and they move on to fight the 1000 Heartless, there he is on a ridge looking down. Mickey goes after him and Sora and the two others fight the Heartless. He -was- on the world and not very far from where Demyx was holding up Sora, so how was he not there?

I do agree with the other things you said though. Demyx did the first time just what he felt he had to in order to 'liberate' Roxas's true disposition, which failed. He wasn't really into it. The second fight, when he finally called Roxas a traitor, he was going for the kill and the fight was one of the toughest Org battles in the game (in regular KH2 anyway). It could be that Demyx randomly showed up in Radiant Gardens...but I don't think so. He seemed to step right into it with Sora and was also conveniently blocking his way to get to the 1000 Heartless battle. However, we can all think here what we wish to since it's entirely up to us because we will probably not get the answer there.

 

Very good points fire mage and Repliku. Who knew we could debate on this with such detail. I simply can't think of anything else to add at the moment, but all I can say to wrap this up is that Demyx is a very complex mysterious character and his defeat was all the sadder in my eyes. It's really a shame that any of the organization members had to be defeated since each one of them had their own agenda and story, but when the darkness did take the melidious nocturne, the world did lose a musical soul who could of just been given a chance to prove himself to the unknown and discovered something more about himself and his talent.