Birth by Sleep Dark Soldier is Guardian Heartless Theory

ok heres a theory that me and axelrific came up with about DS

in the chasers FMV MX split into 2 beings himself and the DS this is where the theory begins.

background:
this sequence suggests that the 2 are of the same body or closely related. this has a mirror with Xehanorts Heartless helper Guardian Heartless (henceforth known as GH). In the fight with XH the party fought 2 times with the duo of XH and GH each time XH showed no signs of effort during the fight (this not including the space fights) and had GH do most of his fighting. In MX's fight with terra aqua and ven the DS fought against ven and aqua while MX fought terra. During this fight neither showed any type of struggle (this is important so remember this for later). Yet even thought MX and DS didn't fight hard DS seemed to be fighting slightly harder which again goes back to GH fighting more than its master but still not having problems.

so this leads me and axelrific to believe that DS and GH are one in the same.

core of the theory:
so if they are the same why are both fighting with such people. another small mini-theory we came up with was that DS was a puppet of some sort. I'm thinking it was like when auron had his free-will drained from him by hades DS is a apprentice of MX that has had his free-will taken away and is controlled by MX to a point yet still has his own fighting abilities and mind just no free-will. and because of the relative un-exertion by MX he would have the mind power to control DS while fighting T-V-A.

so sometime after or during the fights with MX (because its safe to assume since theres gonna be a whole game about it there will be a great battle) DS was turned into a heartless!

and since nomura stated MX and xehanort have a connection

DS served MX
Guardian served XH thinking he was MX

but what about his nobody THE DRAGON
the big nobody dragon that xemnas used must be his nobody and that guards xemnas thinking xemnas was MX

that concludes this theory please discuss after you have read and thought about it in full

 

Short words to this theory:
DS's Heartless is the Guardian and helps XH thinking his MX.
DS's Nobody is THE DRAGON and helps Xemnas thinking his MX.

 

You always jump to conclusion, you havent change.
This:
PEOPLE!!1
NOMURA HASN'T STATED THAT DS AND/OR MX ARE XEHANORT!
HE SAID THEY HAVE A CONNECTION TO HIM!
ANY THEORY REGARDING THAT MX AND DS ARE XEHANORT CAN BE BACKFIRED ANYTIME BY NOMURA OR BBS!!1

Thats a reason to encourage the theory.

 

well I think terra is xehanort (I guess you never looked up that theory) so DS can't be xehanort

edit: and guardian may not have anything to contribute but it still raises the question of what is he

 

Since MX and Xehanort have a connection it means that XH had enought power to split into two and could become one again but in the Final Batte we see that when they united they formed a gigantis being.

 

but this isn't about who is MX and his connections its about DS so lets try to not go off-topic

 

Are you saying that the Dark Soldier in BBS is the Enigmatic Soldier in KH2:FM? I'm a bit confused by the descriptions here and abbreviations etc.

 

WOW REPLIKU! THAT'S YOUR SHORTEST POST EVER! We are saying that DS has a heartless, taht heartless in the Guardian that's why he protects XH so much because he thinks that's MX.

 

It's a theory! Implifying that there's a heartless there has to be a nobody, but I reallyt doubt the part of THE DRAGON being his nobody.

 

I am not sure that the Dragon Nobody at the end there is the other side of the Heartless that Xehanort's Heartless has. I don't think there's a real relation at this time in that regards.

However, the Heartless of Xehanort's is unusual as is the Apprentice of Master Xehanort which is one of the reasons I have been more leaning to the idea that the Apprentice of MX is Xehanort in KH...and that because he had the connection to Master Xehanort, with the funky separation thing that happened in the trailer, that he may also have had some of Master Xehanort's spirit in some way.

This could also apply to Terra though too who in the trailer has distinctively changing eyes from blue to yellow like Master Xehanort's, and perhaps could have gotten some of the spirit within him.

Either way, whoever Xehanort was in KH/KH2 and Xemnas...it seems that the Heartless showing up with Master Xehanort's attire was a rather unusual thing and it could symbolize that the Heartless Guardian itself was Xemnas's Heartless while the pompous guy was what remained of Master Xehanort and some of the spirit of 'Xehanort' in KH. This is getting confusing to say. lol. I need to think. rawr.

As for the dragon, I think it was just Xemnas showing his control over the domain of TWTNW and am not yet placing any value on it as a significant part of Xemnas really. Xemnas also used the powers and weapons of other Org members that had been killed earlier, so it's kind of hard to just throw that off to being something too unusual. It is an interesting thought though. The state of the area was in a way 'nothingness' and also darkness so in the end he probably had dominion over the whole thing.

 

just because they arent huge parts of the story dosen't mean that this couldn't happen and that this isn't a valid theory were stating our idea's its open for discussion but not about whether it should be here or not forums are for intellegent discussion on a variety of topics if you say things like this your 1: insulting the maker of the thread, 2: making a a-hole of yoursel, and 3: deafeating the purpose of the forum. if you don't have something to contribute to the discussion than do not post ok

and @repliku: very valid points and I will take them into consideration I am a firm believer in the terra is xehanort theory (somehow terra's hair was changed to white and lost his memory and ansem found him thinking he was MX and trating him as such) the resemblance is uncanny. but again all very good points

 

The thing with nobodies is that all nobodies must have at least a single similarity with the previous somebody, therefore, unless DS was a dragon that was morphed into what he looked like then, he can't be the Dragon.

However, this is a very interesting theory. I'll still be looking for a few holes though.

 

ok i really agree here with ur thing of terra being xehanort somehow and with the ds....but just along with the thing of the bbs video didnt xemnas preety much copy the whole double thing (mx looked like he double but it was the ds....) when u fight him as riku?? i've been reading way too much on this stuff i can't type right now....

 

Yeah, he doubled just like MX did in the begining of the KH2FM secret ending. Did you notice?

 

Pretty interesting theory. DS being Guardian is possible. But the dragon was just part of the castle in TWTNW.

You forget that in Larxene's data battle, she made more than just one copy of herself. Xemnas probably did the same thing Data Larxene did. I'm pretty sure MX ans DS are two different entities.

 

you are right in that ... i just got com and never had attention for com really but i guess i have to now... but also i realised if you watch the video of riku fighting roxas, when he use darkness he's able to summon up xenahorts guardian...(cant spell that name..) is relatively invisible due to the background but it is there..
i got it from this http://youtube.com/watch?v=dnincg_SeZ8 it was around 2:20

and im about to contradict my self but at the bottom of this (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Larxene ) it has a section called trivia.. the last one says thta there are five of the org. members that can make full body copies of themselves....(now i have become confused at this point...)