Creationism vs Evolution

I believe in evoluton. I have many reasons.1: The sattered particles from the creation of the universe and the galaxy helped create the first living thing2: They began to evolve into the water era and so on until the Dinosaurs.3: Ater the unknow entity that killed them and the ones that survived became and started th Ice Age.4: This is the unknown begining of Humans.5: now humans began to start civilizations after the great Ice Age.6: So continues to today.any ?'s?

 

I believe in Evolution, mainly based on the mountain of evidence. I always think that the truth, even though it can hurt, is the best. In this case, although Evolution paints a pretty bleak and cold view of the universe, if it's the truth it should be accepted by all as such.

 

my thoughts exactly.

 

The only problem with this argument is there is no definitive way of knowing the absolute truth once and for all, barring travelling back in time (which is slightly theoretically possible but I won't go into that >_>). This meaning that this debate will go on forever without end.

If we take the creationist's point of view then some form of higher being created the universe. But this leads to the question of where did this higher being exist to create the universe? As before the universe was created there was nothing (not even time) the higher being would need some form of dimensional space to exist in. This means that there would be another universe that the higher being exists in. BUT, then who/what created that universe? This then leads to an infinite chain of universes with no end. Not very helpful.

As for the Evolusionist view there is, of course, the fossil evidence, the background radiation and apparant expansion of the universe that hints towards an event such as the Big Bang and similarities between species showing a possible progression from one to the next over the ages. There is also probably more but I can't think of any and I'm tired and have a dentist appointment in twenty minutes =/.

 

Actually if you want to think of god from a scientific standpoint, couldn't he exist outside of time and space? Thus creating a dimension with overlapping Genesis and Revelation (beginning and end for you non-Christians). So the all-powerful being of god could create himself. Complicated I know. Truth be told that doesn’t even make perfect sense, but who’s to say that the answer is even possible to understand?

 

That is a very good point, who knows if human beings are even capable of understanding/comprehending the answer to this question. It's almost impossible for us to think about the infinite, so would a higher being not fall into that catagory? :S

 

umm...is this from simpsons?? lol

 

Eh? What do you mean?

 

there was an episode on simpsons...

Ned finds out that in the museum, they are saying that it was evolution that created humans (monkeys to humans). so he was annoyed because it should be god because he created humans (which I agree with by the way). So he makes the reverend tell Principal Skinner to make the students to learn about god.

which isn't the best because people should be able to think what they think. well, not things as serious as god. but you should force it down their throuts.

they learned creationism vs. evolution. Lisa and Ned went to court. That was what it was called.

 

First of all, it's not monkeys. It's ape-like hominids.

No... The modern theory of evolution was created by naturalist, Charles Darwin. I'm too tired to post some evidence, but there's a mountain. Go to TalkOrigins.com.

What do you mean "Well, not things as serious as God"?

 

k...

i meant that you can't fake God. God is there. But you can't teach that in public school. Maybe in Church (or in my case, Mosques)

 

If Creationism did invade a school I would leave that with a debate team.

My old biology teacher said this a lot:

Science is either accepted or rejected based on observations and other kinds of tests.

Religion (Creationism) is a belief, there is no science in it whatsoever.

 

There are schools in the south that do try to force Biology teachers to teach Creationism since there or at least give it a nod because of the amount of religious Southern Baptists there. Also, kids will walk out of the classes. A very good friend of mine was a teacher in North Carolina in a low populated town and kids waltzed right out of her class, so I know it happens, since I was down there with her at the time and it's part of the reason she gained an anxiety to teaching and dropped it. Of course, the education there is backwards too and the kids were using anything as an excuse. Kids were being forced up grades whether they would fail or not and teachers were supposed to just 'pass' them.

I live in NY and here the schools have a higher demand from students. If you fail, you fail. We also are taxed more and run a lottery to fund the schools more properly and it shows that the community cares about how stupid or smart kids will be, which is why I don't mind paying the increased taxes.

Religion though has no place in school. It shouldn't be given a nod too even. Public schools are public and that means anyone of any cultural diversity or belief attends them, so the material presented to them is neutral. It has been suggested that schools run a world religions sort of class but this is always shot down because in some areas Christianity is so heavy and there are more fundamentalists that say learning of other religions is wrong. This is why if you want to take studies in other religions you wait till college, like I had to.

Church is where Christianity is taught. There are Bibles people can also buy, or often get for free, to go at home and study. I see no reason at all for it to be taught in a public school where you are there to learn things that are considered education to get jobs and be successful in life. There are a ton of churches everywhere. There is no way someone cannot get to a church pretty much within walking distance anymore. They are free except for when the collection plates are passed around. If someone is hardcore into learning religion and doesn't want evolution taught, that's what religious schools are for.

Evolution is part of Science and therefore, should be taught. If people don't like it because it messes up their children's viewpoints, they should put their kids in religious schools, or take them to church. It doesn't teach kids to think God exists or doesn't exist but because it can't even be fully explained in school, due to the religious zealots, children come to thinking we evolved in the simplest of ways with inaccurate information. Also, some teachers in religious areas are also religious and try to dance around the subject material and teach it wrong on purpose. I used to think growing up everyone had the same education, the same importance on it etc since the schools are sponsored by the government, but I was terribly wrong. It seems each state or even city can mold the schools to teach what they want. It's caused me to think a lot about if I ever do have kids, where I'd want them educated at.

 

I agree with Repliku, Religion has no place in school at all.

If it's going to be taught and if you want to learn it, go to church or Sunday school. IMO, I may not believe in it, but because it's so widely popular and accepted it has to be kept to itself. That should have been a commandment--keep religion to yourself. lol Think of how many wars we'd be out of right now. >_>

But anyway, Evolution > Christianity.

 

EXCUSE ME?! there is a god up there and he's there to help us. maybe the evidance of evelution isn't true! i mean, how do we even evolve? do our features change over time and we then say POOF ur evolved? i believe that god put us down here! Christianity is my winner, although u people r thinking that you were once monkeys, all because we look/act like gorilla's and chimps!

 

yeah I could never really grasp the concept of evolution. I mean if it is true then why haven't we evolved any more? and the whole poof thing was how I imagine it.

 

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But we haven't even been here a million years

 

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Unfortunately, you do not know how evolution works. I'll have to dig up one of my posts to show you an example.

And, despite the misconception:

WE. WERE. NOT. MONKEYS.

We are evolving. More people are being born without wisdon teeth or appendixes, both of which no longer serve a purpose.

The species Homo sapiens sapiens has only been on this planet for about 15,000 years, yet the species before that were.

And, if the world is 6,000 years old, how can we see MUCH farther than 6,000 lightyears?

EDIT: I found my post: Read to get an understanding of evolution.