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  1. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    That's how Zexion died.

    Axel wanted to kill Zexion so after Riku fought him, Axel brought the Replica to him and told him he could become a real person (lol Pinocchio) and not just a Riku imitation if he had power that Riku did and Repliku absorbed Zexion while Axel said that Zexion found out too much.

    In Re:CoM anyway. I think it was different in the original.
     
  2. Gaming Reploid Destiny Islands Resident

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    I think the only difference was that in the original GBA version, After Axel told Repliku what to do to be a "real person", you only saw Repliku approach Zexion, then it faded to black, then I think that Zexion sreams. So they really don't show any kind of absorbtion, only imply it. In Re:CoM, I think they added Repliku picking Zexion up with one hand, then his hand glowed with the power of darkness, then it faded to black.

    EDIT: I went back to watch the video. In Re:CoM, after Repliku holds up Zexion, his whole body begins to glow with darkness, then Zexion's body is emitting darkness as well. However, it doesn't look the same as Repliku. While Repliku's darkness looks stronger, Zexion looks more like he's fading away.
     
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    well i think that Xion was made from Sora's Memories that got leaked when Sora turned himself to a heartless, some memories went to Roxas just as mere images not as memories because Sora gained a full self again very quickly,, same for Xion (image memories),, but remember how Namine could manipulate ALL the memories of Sora and all those who are connected to him, and Riku is one of the persons who is connected to Sora more than anyone (regarless Kairi xD),, maybe thats why Xion saw THAT scene of Zexion and Riku,, because she got some memories of Riku too in herself and she reflected it from Riku because he is REALLY that connected to Sora (same way Roxas could talk to Kairi in KHII,, 'cause she is REEALLY REALLY connected to sora :3 :B hahaha well its just my opinion =P
     
  4. Umiyuri Papaeyra Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Apparently, this is actually one of Riku's memories. Zexion is most likely referring to the rooms of Castle Oblivion, which are 'worlds' made of memories.

    Goldpanner made this explanation. It kinda explains some of the extra memories shown in coded, too.
     
  5. Lauriam I hope I didn't keep you waiting...

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    This , I believe, is a peice of the conversation between Riku and Zexion in castle oblivion, when Riku is in the Destiny Islands floor. Castle Oblivion was (in that game) pretty much made of Riku's memories, and Riku had been to a number of worlds before that, in which, the only beings he met were those of darkness, like heartless and bosses from the first game. He then went to the Island level and saw Tidus, Wakka and Selphie. He tried to talk to them, but they didn't respond, and then dissapeared. He then met Zexion, who told him that they didn't respond "Because in your (Riku's) memory, you've been to a number of worlds before this one." In every one of them, he only met creatures of the darkness, and Zexion tried to tell him that this was because his dark heart had made him forget everything light, like friendship and goodness. To which, Riku responded "That's not true! I remember everyone from the islands!" That whole speech in Snarl Of Memories is pretty much the one from Reverse Rebirth. However, I'm not so sure why Roxas and Xion remembered this, as it was Riku's memory, not Sora's.
     
  6. pipedownandlisten Destiny Islands Resident

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    Its a nightmare of Roxas's. he somehow has Riku's memory of Castle Oblivion when Riku talks to Zexion. Actually, now that I think about it, I dont get it either. Aagh! you've confused me!
     
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    That makes sense actually, it's been a long time since i played COM, i didn't remember this. Still, that part of the story doesn't make much sense, i don't understand if it was Roxas, Xion or Riku or all of them having this dream or whatever.
     
  8. Llave Superless Moderator

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    Well to be honest, this is a very hard scene to decipher. I thought it was an illusion cast on Roxas by Riku. At the beginning of the cutscene, Roxas is at Destiny Islands looking for Xion. He finds the shell, looks around, and sees Xion on the extended part of the island. I think then as he was running over there, Riku cast an illusion on Roxas so he wouldn't find Xion. After all, Riku needs the memories in Xion to restore Sora, and he doesn't want Organization XIII to find her. (This would explain Riku's CoM memories, plus it was relating to friends, and Roxas was trying to save his friend, Xion.) So all in all, Roxas has the illusion of running up there and seeing it being Zexion and the rest of the scene.

    In the next scene, you see Riku holding Xion, Riku looks over and sees Roxas enter a CoD.

    This is the only explanation I can think of...
     
  9. Excasr The Forgotten XIII

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    -----SPOILRS ALERT-------

    Actually, i believe Zexion was talking to Riku, Roxas just were there because Riku and Zexion were in the Castle Oblivion. In Reverse/Rebirth Mode, Riku defeat Zexion in Destiny Islands. Every word that Zexion mentioned in Snarl of Memories, was said to Riku in Castle Oblivion.
    So i believe in this explanation: Naminé was trying to repair Sora's heart, Riku and Sora's heart are connected, just like Goofy and Donald. In the middle of the process, a memory of Riku entered in contact with Sora's heart, and with this impact, Roxas were affected.

    Well, i believe so...
     
  10. Llave Superless Moderator

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    That sounds very logical, almost a flawless hypothesis. The only thing i don't get is:

    Days continues on after CoM, because Axel returns. After that, Xion starts acting strange and then to sum things up, this event happened. So CoM is already over, it's not like that was the real battle between Riku and Zexion. Also in the next scene, Riku is his KHII look with the hood and blindfold...
     
  11. Excasr The Forgotten XIII

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    Well, if I understood your question, the reason is because that was a memory from the past. This happened after, that's because Riku were older. It was a memory from the past of Riku inside the Castle Oblivion. While trying to repair Sora's heart, that is connected with Riku's, a memory of Riku leaked to Sora's heart and then to Roxas.
     
  12. Llave Superless Moderator

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    Ahh yes that does sound logical indeed. The only thing that doesn't make sense with that is: If memories of Sora are connected with Riku, (especially since everyone "forgot" about Sora while he was asleep.) then why doesn't Roxas acknowledge that he is Sora's Nobody at the end of Days? (Deep Dive) Riku tells Roxas is Sora's Nobody and Roxas says, "What are you talking about?! I am ME! Nobody else!"

    You would think if memories of Sora were still around, Roxas of all people would feel Sora closer than anyone else.
     
  13. Excasr The Forgotten XIII

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    Well, if I'm not mistaken with my guess, here go another deep look:
    Naminé said the memories of Sora are share with Roxas and Xion. Riku's MEMORY leaked to SORA's heart (due the closer friendship, they have a strong bond) > MEMORIES's of Sora leaked to ROXAS and XION (Days). Little by little, the Memories of Sora were leaking to Roxas, and the Riku's memory leaked together with the other memories to Roxas, just like the others, but the memory don't belongs to him, this is in my opnion the cause of Roxas's headache, the body (Roxas) doesn't fill with the memory of the heart (of Riku).
    The thing about leaking memories just happened once, this case.

    Also, I think Roxas were feeling Sora, their combat style are the same with one keyblade. And Roxas were still feeling something, he just couldn't say what is it. (Days OP) Axel chat with Roxas:
    -Roxas, are you really sure that you don't have a heart?
    -I dunno... I can't just look inside. But I figure if there is something there- inside us- then we'd feel it, right?

    I think at Roxas saying this, he were feeling Sora. Actually he were feeling something... Something that he doesn't know if were a feeling, because he were with the idea that Nobodies don't feel anything. Just after, that he wanted to seek the truth, that he knew there is something there:

    -What are you talking about?! I am ME! Nobody else!
    -My heart belongs to ME! Nobody else!

    So since he knew he had a heart, that thing he were feeling were Sora. He just doesn't know it.

    Still this case is really confusing, I might be wrong in some part. What do you (or anybody else) think?
     
  14. ShibuyaGato Transformation

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    Roxas didn't enjoy being a Nobody. He especially hated Sora for his involvement in Xion's demise (he hated that Xion was only a puppet of Sora and how she used his face to try and kill him). Now, at that point he forgot her name, but he hadn't forgotten the events of the day before until Riku transformed and beat him.

    He refused to accept that he was Sora's Nobody, and he didn't like Riku forcing that reality on him.
     
  15. Llave Superless Moderator

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    That is absolutely true.

    But i suppose what i was trying to say was: How could memories of Sora exist while he was asleep and everyone else forgot about him? Unless Roxas does "know" Sora because he is connected. That may have been why Roxas had that "vision" when he was looking for Xion on Destiny Island"...
     
  16. Excasr The Forgotten XIII

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    This is starting to get very interesting... Oh well;
    Memories exists inside people's heart, Sora is inside the hearts of everyone else. They may forget about him, but, just like Xion says "the memories themselves will never go away, memories of you and me [Xion and Roxas] will always be together. Forever, inside him..." (*sniff* this part is so beautiful ='D).
    And you're right, Roxas is connected with Sora. That's because the "vision" have leaked to Roxas, I believe.
     
  17. Llave Superless Moderator

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    Ah yes that quote had escaped me. That does make more sense now.

    So I assume that Roxas' bond with Sora was so strong, he remembered some of the memories. That also was apparent in KHII beginning as well.
     
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    I thought it was a hint towards DDD, but then I also thought it was too soon. (maybe?) because Zexion said the same thing in Re:COM before 358/2 Days came out. (Not sure about production dates, but it seems a little early.) Where else would Riku have gone but the worlds in DDD? Of course, both Riku and Sora in DDD talk about stuff that happened in KH2 even though it's supposed to take place in their subconcious before kh1. (after most of BBS) Am I missing something here? O_o *is confused*

    I think Roxas "remembered" because they were his own memories (before he and Sora were seperated) in the first place. When Sora "lost" his memories, they had to go somewhere, right? Why not his other half? Also, in Roxas' beginning part of KH2, he was still "remembering" through dreams instead of visions. Its just that the org.13 memories were added as well. HIs memories in kh2 weren't "gone" just transferred. that's why at the beginning (right after u find Sora in his pod) he feels like Twilight Town is familiar. he's never been there of course, but Roxas has, and his memories were transferred to Sora, ne?