Kingdom Hearts II Cloud & Sephiroth

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  1. Goofy Twilight Town Denizen

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    Ok, I'm talking Kingdom Hearts here. Unless Sephiroth was speaking entirely metaphorically, which I doubt, Sephiroth is the living incarnation of the darkness in Cloud's heart, no, according to Kingdom Hearts 2? Well, the fight may have been left ambiguous (such as if Tifa was making a connection to Cloud's heart via the light in HERS, or so long as Tifa practiced her loyalty he found the light in himself with which to fight back, OR where Cloud & Sephiroth were spirited away to) But thinking back to Riku, Xehanort's Heartless, Saïx, and few other minor characters, but mostly focusing on Xehanort's Heartless... If Sephiroth is the manifestation of Cloud's inner darkness who just hasn't overcome Cloud's light and claimed his heart, does that not mean the following: Sephiroth can command SOME Heartless, travel through the Corridors of Darkness, use transformation to take on the form of characters significant to other characters, (example: Shadow became Belle to piss off Beast, Night Walkers disguised themselves as members of Captain Li Shang's army) or even be absorbed into Cloud's being if he should accept the darkness inside him, (Giving Cloud a rather more bad-*** look, maybe wings, access to Masamune's strength, Seph's special KH-exclusive techs, etc. OrgXIII coat would be most-appropriate, lol)
     
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    You have to remember that Sephiroth isn't a Heartless though, thus he probably won't be able to do the same things Heartless are able to do (such as transfiguration, commanding other Heartless--although this doesn't seem like a bad possibility).

    Heartless are beings born when hearts are removed from an individual, and it doesn't seem like Cloud had ever lost his heart. Cloud seems more similar to Riku than any other character in the series. Cloud sort of gave in to the darkness inside of him much how Riku did--both these characters never lost their hearts, yet they have representations of the darkness within them ("Ansem", Xehanort's Heartless for Riku and Sephiroth for Cloud).

    Cloud seems to be destined to walk the same path Riku did, that is, the Path to Dawn--as Riku called it at the end of CoM. A successful hybrid of light and darkness, if you will.

    The only real difference between the two is that Riku's darkness manifests itself from within him, causing him to take the form of Xehanort's Heartless in KH2, whereas Cloud's darkness actually manifested itself into an entirely separate being.
     
  3. Goofy Twilight Town Denizen

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    Yeah, it is a good chance...It's not to say that Sephiroth isn't one step away from being a Heartless... and yeah, I couldn't see it any other way... Well, the XIII coat may be a bit much, but a Cloud with bad-*** wings of some kind, SIN HARVEST, lol maybe the opportunity to wield Masamune... Something...That's what I could see..
     
  4. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    I dont think Sephiroth was able to summon heartless, because, if you remeber in the fifth visit to Hollow Bastion, he actually killed some heartless to talk to Cloud and why would he kill his those he has power over?
     
  5. Goofy Twilight Town Denizen

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    Well then again, Sephiroth had his sights locked on something, Cloud, or otherwise Cloud's heart. Sephiroth is the darkness in CLOUD's heart, he should much prefer to claim Cloud's heart for his own (I'm assuming by defeating him in battle, honorably by his own sword) rather than OTHER manifestations of darkness, (other Heartless) getting to him first. That's not to say he couldn't order and control his own. (really, we never see Heartless fight each other because we never see characters like Maleficient & Jafar, or Pete & Riku, etc. fight each other using the Heartless they control) Not to mention Xigbar, when even at that time, besides Roxas (Sora) the Organization was still working well together for one goal, and that goal required the Heartless, and yet he still blinked them all out before his fight with Sora & co, so it may be that because Heartless come by the truckload, it's acceptable to eliminate them yourself if the cause is great enough. (Sephiroth's case, his desire to come even with Cloud, Xigbar's was the honor of getting revenge on Roxas)

    Sephiroth may still be able to order his own Heartless if he wanted, but it's unlikely that he would do that, (I suppose unless for a distraction of outside annoyances) because he's after Cloud's heart, nothing more. One can't immediately assume the Corridors of Darkness are not open to Sephiroth either.. The transfiguration thing may be a little far-fetched, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Seph transform himself to remind Cloud of his failures, etc. (example: transform into Biggs or Wedge, Zack, etc.)
     
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