Close Family Member or what "God" says?

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  1. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    I have been brought up in such a way that my family should always be the most important thing in my life. This is apparent as I have changed this many times already (mostly by other members of my family but also by my friends).
     
  2. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    I feel that i broke those major bonds when i went into depression for the first times. it allows me to see them as they are and accept them and improve them likewise.
     
  3. Tahno The official Charlie Sheen of Republic City.

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    Listen to whatever you want to listen to and stop making such a big deal about "God".
    People believe whatever you need to believe and don't complain. There is no real proof which religion is correct.
    However, I am part Christian. :)
     
  4. AmericanSephiroth Traverse Town Homebody

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    there is no God because if i am correct supernatural beings only exist when you believe in them (IE: Freddy Krueger) so my answer is obvious thought what i said may not make too much sense to those without brains it a philosophy that when you die whatever you believe is gonna happen WILL happen
     
  5. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I'm unsure about what point you're trying to put across, and what exactly the question is.
    Would you reiterate for me?
     
  6. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    I'm glad someone of Christian influence has the balls to say that, because it's totally right. We have no idea who is right, not to say that what we believe holds no weight. But it shouldn't dominate our lives; perhaps guide them, but not dominate. People ought to have standards and morals, and if they're compatible with their parents more than their god, they should still stick by them.

    Frankly, if there is a god, I think my mom's done as much for me as He has, so for me at least it's definitely a toss-up. Depends on which one of them saved me from my father.

    You defeated yourself in less than a sentence. By your logic, there most certainly is a god; in fact, there are many.

    Also, by your logic, I've brought some truly terrifying things into existence. Never look through a mirror in the dark, kids~
     
  7. Guardian Soul hella sad & hella rad

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    Well for me, I would choose family over God anytime. I mean I am Christian and I know that in the Bible it mentions that God should be above all else but to me, my family is the most important thing. Also I agree with T about how nobody knows which religion is right and or if all of them are wrong.
     
  8. AmericanSephiroth Traverse Town Homebody

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    the first sentence is my take the second is my belief i believe what you believe is gonna happen when you die if that makes sense but my take on it is there is no god
     
  9. Guardian Soul hella sad & hella rad

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    Well that is kinda confusing, you say you dont believe in a god but you also say that whatever you believe is going to happen to you happens so you basically are saying that every religion is right which is confusing me.
     
  10. AmericanSephiroth Traverse Town Homebody

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    well i have no faith in religion so i believe nothing will happen. but whatever your take is personally is most likely right because all religions are man made you make your own fate
     
  11. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I'm guessing you're trying to say that whatever happens in the 'next life' is whatever we really imagine or believe it will be.
    I have thought of this, but it's really hard to tell if true.
    I hope it is something similar to that though. Hopefully it will make death an easier experience.
     
  12. TheVader74 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    The idea of a god has never made sense to me, other than a half-arsed reason to explain what people couldn't explain, and as a form of political suggestion and control over the masses. I respect the idea of believing in some form of supernatural being, but at the end of the day, I can see it as nothing more than a fallacy; there's too much evidence against it. As far as Christianity is concerned, it's a fallacy based from a fictional character, and even then the fiction betrays itself. I'll take the word of my family over that any day.

    By the way, I mean no offence to any Christians or otherwise religious people here, but you have your beliefs and I have mine.
     
  13. Arch Mana Knight

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    Evidence against religion? Are you serious? ...No really, are you serious?

    There's never been evidence against religion but there's always been reasons(not evidence) to believe in it(or not to believe in it although I sometimes wonder what's the point in not believing since no religion usually means no belief in afterlife of any kind). I'm not a hardcore Catholic or anything but I believe in a higher power of some kind. There is something after death other than simply becoming dust. Is becoming dust that more interesting than the possibility of an afterlife? Unless you believe in reincarnation...

    In all honesty, I have no idea what the topic is about since(sorry topic creator) it was worded pretty badly without much explanation. Well, today I realized that making family come first or not may not even matter in the long run. I have an uncle who recently got out of jail(he was in for five or so years) for something drug related and my family doesn't really want anything to do with him. I heard my mom say that my dad won't talk to him and...it bothers me because they're brothers. I know all families aren't like that but still, if family comes first...why do they have to ignore my uncle so much? So yeah, family in general comes first but I wouldn't put everything behind my family because crap happens.
     
  14. Rho Twilight Town Denizen

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    Your family members exist, God does not, there's your answer.
     
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    Well, there's usually never an occasion in my life where the two conflict, because me and my family believe in the same things.
    In your case however, you're an atheist, so you would probably value your family's opinion more, right?

    I'm sorry, I really can't tell what the question is, are you aiming it at religious people?
    If so, like I said there's usually never a point where the two conflict for me, but if they did I'd have to choose God, he's kind of, well you know...divine. And takes precedence over non-divine things.
     
  16. TheVader74 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    We are not debating about religion here. We are debating about taking the word of "god" over your family. As far as that goes, yes I'm totally serious.

    Again, I'm talking about god here, not religion. As far as Religion goes, well, proving religion wrong isn't worth trying, but disproving the beliefs can be done, at least until they pull out the Transcendency "Get-out-of-jail free" card so they can have the last word.

    Yeah; the dust, being pretty much carbon, becomes most anything you can think of. Food, Plants, Wood, Furniture, Greenhouse Gases, Monuments, Diamonds... I could go on. You could consider it Reincarntion I suppose. Spiritually, I have no idea, and I don't particularly care, but there's nothing proving it other than peoples beliefs.

    Maybe you're seeing something that I'm not, but that's the way I see it. You have my respect for believing in some higher power, but with the amount that tale has been spun and warped by so many people now thst I can find little truth with it. Hence, the family comes first. i'm not going to have my morals dictated to me, thanks.
     
  17. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    I am pretty sure I must have been drunk when I posted that as it makes no sense what so ever lol I think what I meant was, should someone of faith put god before their own family? I see that as being fundamentally and unequivocally wrong.
     
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    Ah, I get it now. I would have posted earlier but I didn't quite understand your question XD

    I think it truly depends on the situation. If someone is the only believer in a family of atheists and the family is threatening to cut off all connections to that person because of their beliefs, or vice versa, then you shouldn't give up your beliefs in that sort of situation. However, in normal circumstances, I think (if you are a believer) you should keep your family and God at about the same importance. I don't think God would want you to disregard your family or anything because of your belief in him.
     
  19. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    It was just a friend of mine in Halls told me that he would always put god first, even before his family and I just couldn't understand how anyone could think like that =/ He's Catholic and wants to be a priest.
     
  20. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Ahh, thank you, much clearer.

    Hmm... well to me the two things are completely speperte from each other and shouldn't conflict with each other. Having said that, it's not always the case that people seperate reality and faith.
    Maybe it's jsut that my family never really talks of Religion, we're not veryy religious, for a reason I can not fathome, I don't think they even know I have a religion, they always refer me to being an atheist. I'm not really strict in what I worship, I think I mainly study Daoism is because, personally, it makes sense. I don't have to change the way I am to fit with my religion because most of the time, I act that way normally. I fit my life aaround my religion, I guess.

    Anyway, i'm going on so to really summarise my thoughts on the question is:
    Religion guides the family to better things. If conflict between the two arises pick the family, they'll support you greater than your faith will.