Kingdom Hearts II Can Nobodies have hearts?

Dragons: It depends. Roxas and Axel had emotions, that’s obvious. But does that mean they had hearts?
When Riku had just defeated Roxas, DiZ comes out a portal and says, “…. If Roxas were to meet Sora, maybe it would be different.â€
Okay, I can’t remember the whole line, but I caught the drift. DiZ basically meant that Roxas doesn’t have a heart, but if he met Sora, he might have a heart of his own.
Roxas was slowly pulling his heart together. What if that affected Axel as well?
“It’s not the heart that creates the feeling of love, but the love itself in which creates the heart.â€
Axel loved Roxas. Not as ‘couple’ love, but brotherly love. (The same love between Sora & Riku) Could that love have created a heart all his own?

Twilight: I believe Axel, when he met Roxas, slowly acquired the feelings to create the heart. Thus he wanted his best friend to stay. The slowly growing heart was giving him strength.

 

Nobodies do not actually have a heart. They could have been able to obtain one using Xemnas' Kingdom Hearts if Sora haden't pwned them all. Some can actually feel emotions, but I don't really know why that is.

 

Roxas and Axel didn't have emotions, they were nobodies. Nobodies=no emotions, why can't you people get this?

 

Yah, but Roxas actually did have emotions. He serriously felt things when he was in twilight town, due to Sora still being in existance

 

In the physical sense, no, Nobodies don't have hearts. It's hard to tell if they had hearts in the emotion sense though. Several of the Nobodies did show emotion, but it's very possible that was all mimicked.

 

it makes some sence. and i think that kind of love is called guy love

 

I see where you're getting at but I would have say that Nobodies have no hearts...even Roxas. Though Nobodies don't have a heart, they remeber what it felt like to have a heart. They just act like the have emotions....

 

Dragons: What I'm saying is that some Nobodies had emotions. Thus they weren't completely without hearts.
Roxas would get angry when asked, "Why do you have the keyblade."
Axel and Roxas were sitting on the clock tower in Twilight Town. Roxas... Phased out? And Axel said, "Good bye... Partner." A teardrop fell. Axel actully felt emotional pain! There is no reason for him to have faked being sad; nobody (Not intentional) was there to see.
I judge from what I've experienced. I can't experience not feeling. But I have experience pretending to feel something when I don't, and it's harder than it looks.
I watched Axel cry. I don't know about you, but I can't cry over something I can't feel. I cry when I'm sad or upset. You can't fake real tears.
Another thing...
Who said that Nobodies can't feel?! Ansem 'the Wise'? Xemnas?
Ansem admitted to being "ignorant about matters of the heart". Couldn't he be wrong?
And could Xemnas not have emotions, just because he cast them aside when he chose The Darkness?
(When Roxas was in the virtual Twilight Town doesn't count, because DiZ had rewritten his personality & memories.)

Twilight- Think people, please. If Nobodies couldn't feel emotion, Why did Axel get angry when Roxas left, Huh? Or Why did Roxas get upset when he found out about Sora? Think!

 

I think they could gain hearts but not have them in their original form. Or maybe they could. Who knows.

 

Roxas and Namine had hearts because they didn't remember there human lives like the other nobodeys did, so how could they mimick what they didn't remember?

 

My theory:
Friendship requires emotions, right? So when nobodies become close friends, the friendship somehow creates a sort of heart, even if it's not physical. Remember these lines?
"He made me feel... like I had a heart."
"Oh, we do too have hearts... don't be mad!"
I think Demyx truly belived he had a heart because he was close friends (maybe more?) with someone not shown in the game. And Axel had a heart sort of too because of his friendship with Roxas. I hope this all makes some sort of sense....​

 

Yen Sid was the one that said that Nobodies dont have feelings (well aswell as DiZ)
I honestly hope we find more about this in 358/2 Days (i can only see it happening in this one)
Because it is EXTREMELY unclear. I always thought they could feel emotion because they had a connection with their heart no matter what. Roxas and Nami showed MORE emotion than the others because theyre heart was alive and well, while the others showed some emotions but their connection was tethered a bit (the heart being a heartless) this is also why i think Xemnas shows the LEAST emotion and CAN'T remember what the other meotions felt like because not only was his heart a heartless but it was in RIKU'S body making it harder to connect with. But i personally dont know, thats just my theory on it.

 

Well, if they had hearts, they would be whole. Unless you mean partial hearts... o_o; Yes, Yen Sid, Ansem the Wise, Xemnas (which probably means Xehanort also) said that Nobodies have no feelings. They act like they have them. For all we know, they might not be intentionally acting. They're just... 'feeling'.

 

*sigh*

Nobodies do not have hearts. They can, however react to their Other's hearts. Roxas got emotion because Sora was stil in existance. Axel in turn, bathed in the the aura of Roxas using Sora's heart.

See?

Demyx, Sorry, but I say you're shamming. You have a distinct personality, that is all.

Nobodies cannot have hearts. It is as impossible as dead people having life. It makes no sense. With a heart, they would not be Nobodies.

 

Well

Dragons: DiZ mentioned that if Sora met Roxas, he might get a heart of his own. Doesn't that mean that Nobodies can get hearts?

 

To answer the main question:
Nobodies are able to obtain a heart. They do not neccisarily have one right away.
I think it needs to be cleared what happens when a nobodie aquires a heart though.

 

Nobodies are incomplete beings that are born anew with a new body created from memories and their souls. They lack emotion or a Heart. However, they have the memories of having those emotions, as Saix commented on, which is why he said he knew how to hurt a Heart to Sora.

Roxas may have been different as he also seems to be closely related to Ven and may have been Ven in essence, but with no memory due to Sora only being a Heartless for a short time. Sora felt his memories fading as he was a Heartless, but it was all restored by Kairi, so Roxas took very little with him when he was 'born'. However, it is possible, since even Axel asked Roxas if he thought he had a Heart or not, that he did. He may have had a piece of his Heart, but obviously his body was created the same way the other Nobodies' forms were, since Sora did become a Heartless. I doubt he had his -whole- Heart since Xemnas probably would have picked up on that, but it does seem possible he did have some of his essence. His emotional displays of rage, irritation, agitation, frustration, sorrow and all seemed real enough.

As for Axel, you can -tell- he had no Heart himself but he truly wanted one. He over dramatic displays and emphasizes what he says with gestures and speech, or he under plays them. This was the case with all of the Org. They over emphasize or under emphasize the things that have to do with showing what they 'would' be feeling if they had a Heart. Roxas was not quite the same and his 'emotional' reactions seemed genuine enough though of course, it was probably not enough again for Xemnas or Saix to catch on. I seriously doubt Roxas could have gotten away from the Org if they had suspicions because Xemnas would have wanted to study him closely. I do think having the Keyblade though should have tipped Xemnas off. It may even be the Keyblade that helped Roxas to have a piece of his Heart at all and I do think there is a connection there.

Getting back to Axel though. Axel -really- wanted his Heart back. Xemnas comments on it as though it were a weakness and made Axel unpredictable but foolish. Axel also said to Sora that he and Roxas made him -feel- like he had a Heart. I would say that Axel was just as much a Nobody as the others were, but he was also empathic and cared to try to feel things off others for different purposes than the other Org members did. I think all of them were empathic and able to sense what the Hearted folks felt but Axel was truly the only one to try to inspire 'positive' feelings in others and wanted to feel them through those people. Roxas probably made him more aware of it, and Axel did spend time dealing with Sora too, who off and on in CoM he sort of aided at the same time as doing other things. What makes Axel unique is he was trying to be part of a more positive deal and perhaps he could have attained a Heart or a pseudo-Heart the way he wanted to. All of the other Org members seemed content to try to manipulate people to darker tendencies and destroy them emotionally, such as Xaldin, Larxene, Marluxia, Saix, Lexaeus, Zexion, Vexen and Xemnas. Think of how they used their abilities to try to corrupt Beast, Sora and Riku. About the only other person I can say that tried to do something else as well was Demyx, who I just think was entirely along for the ride and convinced he needed to be -good- to live in the Org. He didn't have the cahunas Axel did to abandon it, but if he had, he might have been in the same scenario as Axel.

 

I second this!

 

Okay Twilight Dragons, I will.

Roxas has a link to Sora's heart, as Sora still exists. Understandable, right? DiZ never knew about this because no one ever returned from heartless-dom before.

This is turn affected Axel, causing him to experience emotion. Thus the tear.

Namine experienced guilt as a link to Kairi.

Also when DiZ said things might be different if he met Sora, he meant that Roxas might accept his fate.

 

Well, me and some buddies came up with a hypothesis about Nobodies and captured hearts and such...

When Heartless steal hearts, they take the Heart and hold it in themselves, effectively containing it. This shows as when they are destroyed, the hearts they have captured are released.

What we hypothesized was that Nobodies might still be able to retain some remote "connection" to their hearts...Not enough to feel it, but enough that they can still "mimic" emotions...This is backed up by the fact that if a Nobody and a Heartless are destroyed, they return to their original form. If the heart and body weren't connected in some way, wouldn't both just return to the initial "soup" of Kingdom Hearts?

I don't know if this is right or not, but it is an interesting view...