Brainstorm - Competitive Rules

[All discussion in this thread pertains specifically to Pokemon as they currently exist in the Pokemon X and Pokemon Y video games]

Here's a thread so we can just start listing and discussing what each of us thinks should be a restriction for whatever Pokemon tournaments (or even non-tournament battles) that we eventually organize.

If you have any objections with anyone's theoretical restrictions, be sure to quote the post, specify which restriction you're addressing, give an explanation of what you find wrong with the restriction, and present a reasonable modification or alternative to the restriction. AND DO IT NICELY. No "lol that's dumb."

For myself, I've done some research on competitive sites, such as the "Play! Official Pokemon VG Tournament Rules & & Formats" PDF, Smogon's current XY Tiers, and Neoseeker's Pokemon Tier listings. I'd currently like to see these restrictions:

• Banned Pokemon:
  • Mewtwo
  • Lugia
  • Ho-Oh
  • Blaziken (with Speed Boost ability)
    
  • Kyogre
  • Groudon
  • Rayquaza
  • Deoxys
  • Dialga
  • Palkia
  • Giratina
  • Darkrai
  • Arceus
  • Reshiram
  • Zekrom
  • Kyurem
  • Black Kyurem
  • White Kyurem
  • Genesect
  • Xerneas
  • Yveltal
• Banned Mega Evolution Pokemon (and, as result, their Mega Stones as Held Items):
  • Mega Gengar
  • Mega Kangaskhan
    
  • Mega Blaziken
  • Mega Latias
  • Mega Latios
  • Mega Lucario
• Banned Abilities:
  • Moody
• Banned Moves (or at least heavily limited):
  • Double Team (or, max uses per one's active Pokemon: 2)
  • Minimize (or, max uses per one's active Pokemon: 2)
  • Swagger
  • Fissure
  • Guillotine
  • Horn Drill
  • Sheer Cold
• Only Pokemon at least Lv. 50 allowed (they'll be set to that Lv. in-game)
  
• Only one Pokemon per species allowed on a party (example: can't have two Gengar)
• Only legal Pokemon moves allowed (if the Pokemon can't learn the move via level up, TM, HM, breeding, tutoring, transfer, or official event, that Pokemon with that moveset cannot be used)
• You may only intentionally use a Pokemon's moves to induce the Freeze or Sleep status conditions on one of your opponent's Pokemon at a time (example: you can use Ice Beam however much you wish, but you cannot use Spore on more than one Pokemon until the Pokemon that you used Spore on (and who fell asleep as the result of that move) has woken up
  
• In the result of both players' last Pokemon fainting in one turn, the player whose Pokemon used the move or possessed the ability that caused the first Pokemon to faint OR the player whose Pokemon fainted last due to special condition or weather is the victor of that match.
• Specifically for 3DS battles: Only legal Pokemon allowed (no generated or hacked Pokemon; please do try to assure this)

Feel free to comment on what you think should be added, changed, or removed.

 

Why is an ability banned?

 

Not allowing generated pokemon is pretty silly. There is no advantage to using legal generated pokemon.

edit: I agree with everything else though, theyre basically just smogon's OU rules.

 

I explicitly stated that the rule is only for the 3DS games, and that I trust people not to do that.

Smogon have some good rules, so yeah, they're pretty similar. I did change a few things, but only so much needed to be changed in my opinion.

 

There's no reason not to gen pokemon though.

 

There really is: you're not using means intended by the makers of the games; you're generating code on an outside source. Should I include a rule that forbids the use of outside sources for attaining Pokemon, like using one's computer?

Reasonable, so I agree.

 

Wobbuffet is kinda annoying to deal with so I'd be okay with banning it.

 

Main reason I can see why it was banned was for the Shadow Tag/Encore loop. We could just ban having both that Ability and that Move on the Pokemon.

 

Do you realise that less than half of the people at official competitive pokemon events actually breed for their pokemon, and that the pokemon company knows this and only checks that pokemon are technically legal? The pokemon I generate, by the game's knowledge are just as legal as yours. There is not a single way that you, nintendo, or even the people at gamefreak who programmed the game could know that they were generated by an outside source. This is a competitive tournament, so the time I spent making my pokemon, or how I made them is irrelevant.

 

It's a rule that I proposed, that's all. If I could prevent the use of generated Pokemon against Pokemon that people actually put time and effort into, I would.

HENCE THE WHOLE POINT OF ME SAYING THAT I TRUST PEOPLE.

But fine, if you want, have your generated Pokemon. I won't partake in a 3DS Tournament if I know I'm going against someone who didn't work for what he or she is using, and I did.

Solution to this: simulator it is, guys.

 

The problem here though is that you're the one choosing to use imperfect pokemon. You could just as easily generate your pokemon. How much work you put in is pointless in a competitive tournament. I would rather beat someone with a perfect team that they generated than an imperfect team they spent months making.

 

Then...really, what's the point of using one's 3DS? Everyone has to use generators for this to really be fair.

 

I refuse to use a simulator.

 

Yeah, pretty much. I understand the fact that you want to use the pokemon you put more time into, and I apologize if I come off as an *******, but there's no room for imperfect pokemon in a competitive setting.

 

The solution goes back to this: two separate tournaments, one using 3DS systems and games using all of the rules agreed on, and one using the simulator using all of the rules agreed on excluding the generated Pokemon rule (duh.)

 

Alright, but I disagree on the rule that genned pokemon shouldnt be allowed in the 3DS tournamnent. which in a way defeats the whole purpose. the simulator is clearly superior in this, everyone has equal opportunity.