Bloody Sunday

Before i had seen it i knew that british oppressed us for half a millenium and everyone was Okay with it.We had even talked about it the day before...then we saw the reconstruction of the event....bloody sunday.
This is an event that happened on febuary 1 1972.Catholic Civil rights activists wanted to march to try and end unionist rule in the north.The british cut off the primary route of the march and the main part of the group went the other way and others stayed to stone the oppressing british army.

The british are awaiting the go ahead to go in and arrest certain IRA members without trial because of "internment"....they are given the go ahead and they open fire.They open fire on innocent civilians,17 year olds,70 year olds,people that can't defend themselves.About one of the IRA opened fire with a handgun when he saw they were opening fire on the civilians behind him.They came in,they shot people in the back and i can remember one of the cases so clearly...a guy who has already been shot pulls himself along the ground to get away and as they see him they shoot him again.Soon one of the others in cover grabs a white cloth to signify no harm, to help the guy who they shot and they shot him in the head.At the end of the event they put a Civil rights banner over his body....soaked at the top half with blood from the where part of his head should be... They shoot the civilians once,they go up to them close range and shoot them in the back on the ground.People who tried to help were shot.Would you think it's fair to subject a 17 year to see his best friend or a relative getting shot dead in front of you? IT ISN'T F*CKING FAIR!!!!!

They then had the nerve to say to there superiors when they asked when the crowds were moving at them or away from them they refered to them as "terrorists".....terrorists....TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how dare those B*stards says that about innocent irish people, people who had done nothing wrong, people who's rights were taken,people who get a less better life style just because they were catholic!!!!

How dare the british have treated our people like outsiders in our own country.After this happened the men of the massacre decided one there stories co ordinating them to seem that our people fired first,that we were hooligans and terrorists.It was never published officially but the SAS were in there aswell even though the british government deny it.

Another more annoying thing that drives me insane is the fact that they had the sheer spit to come to the funeral for the dead...the people who put them there in the first place!!!One woman went into the parliement and almost killed the minister in there and then said to all the news papers "The British Army had their day but we'll have ours.The IRA have promised to kill 13 british troops for the 13 they killed at derry".

They have the cheek to Rage and anger at the things that the IRA did to the protestants when even the government were saying not to hire catholics!!!!
British have been oppressing irish for years and they probably still do it in the north except without governmental help even though the government will favour the protestant.I think that Ireland should be complete and free of partition.The reconstruction of Bloody Sunday has opened my eye's.My cousin and friend said that violence will never solve the problem and he came out of there saying "F*ck that.I'd go and kill every single one of them" he said in rage.Another friend of mine said "I'd mount my roof with a sniper rifle and kill everyone of those British B*stards".I checked old newspapers as i was RPing and i discovered one of five doctors decided to tell the people what happened saying "Most were shot in the back" as in running away while the other four protestants said "Most were shot in the front" which is b*llshit!!!!!

I consider this worth my 1,000 because i want to voice the sheer......the sheer...... i can't even explain it.I just wanted to share that with you all and i will debate with anyone who thinks otherwise!!!!

 

Muffin Man, seriously, stop posting in this section if you cannot stop with the spammish comments and cutdowns. Daxma, don't waste your time commenting to them as these sorts of comments get deleted anyway and it is just meant to get a reaction.

 

Pfft, whatevs, if you want me to give a serious response.

Anyway, I like the line about me being a spoiled American, because I'm pretty sure I spent several years living in Ireland with my relatives, and I'm pretty sure my name is Christopher Thomas O'Toole the 6th, with 5 previous generations of Irish O'Tooles being named such, with my great great grandparents having come to America faced with great prejudice, set to work building Railways across the nation as one of the few means of work people would allow a dirty Irishman to do.

So you may ask why I so choose to joke about a horrific event such as this, much to your annoyance, despite my own Irish heritage? The answer:

Because I like to fuck with people

 

Yes, the comment about Americans was unneeded but it stems from your comments so please try and understand that. Let's keep it peaceful, man. The Protestant/Catholic issues in Ireland are rather serious to some people and there is, at least in my opinion, no right person who's been involved in the scenario there when it comes to turning on the violence. However, both sides feel they are justified. Give him some space to vent and you obviously have some history too with this so just give real feedback. That's all I'm asking for here.

 

Haha, naw, I don't particular care and wasn't offended, being over-dramatic is just fun as hell and Daxma is a cockbite.

 

Thats... Sad. That people can't tell what the white flag means. I'd never heard about this, mostly because I'm just flat out weird.

Our world must be coming to an end, all the signs are here for the Christian belief. I wish people would just calm down, and... GaH. It's just makes he mad. D:<

 

Blood Sunday happened 35 years ago , LittleArtistNamine >_>

 

Repliku i see you point of view and to be honest we all had that point of view before we actually saw it.You should've seen everyones faces just to see such disgusting displays of brutality by the british army.We'd even heard about this before but we didn't know how bad it was.The history left out the worst parts.Something they don't mention is that out of all the injured the british army only took the only soldier that was injured and left the rest for dead,people who had nothing to defend themselves,people who raised a white flag in surrender.

Muffin Man this zone is called intelligent discussion and insulting me like that isn't what someone would call intelligent.Infact i wouldn't even call you intelligent because you wouldn't know an intelligent response if it bite you in the *ss and said hello.I mean you should be banned from this zone because you don't have enough brain power to make a proper response. I'd be surprised if you had half the brain power of a mentally disabled 80 year old.

 

Actually this "zone" is not labelled "Intelligent Discussion" at all, it's simply labeled "Discussion"

Glad to see reading comprehension is your strong suit.

 

Actually if you read the rules like most of us that you need to keep the replies to a certain amount of intelligence.

 

That, however, is not what you said. You stated that this section was specifically labeled "Intelligent Discussion", which is certainly is not. Also, I don't believe anything I've posted in this thread is particular unintelligent, it's simply lacking in tact.

 

Saying that the death of innocent people is funny is very unintelligent.Find the reconstruction and i can tell you that you wouldn't be laughing.
I've also just discovered that during the first inquiry that the british soldiers were given medals of honor from the queen and soon after that they planted guns to try and clear them completely!.The nerve of that B*tch and those cu.nts!Fair play to the british reporters backed us up along with the eyewitnesses saying about the inconsistancies.Another enquiry was made but hasn't been published yet.

 

What is unintellectual about it? Sure it's cruel and tasteless, but that doesn't make it lacking in intelligence. So you're saying that caring heartfelt remarks are the only intelligent ones? If so, one could say that your vocabulary deteriorating into calling people "*****es" and "****s" is unintelligent.

 

I didn't expect you to be heartfelt.I actually expected a proper debate about it or staying neutral or even saying that the irish people stroke first or something but i didn't expect someone to make a mockery of innocent people who were killed by morally deprived b*stards.The differance between me using obseen language is that i'm using it towards people who treated the majority of people of the country like dirt,killing them,discrediting them among the protestant minority which owned most of the businesses thanks to the government.
Laughing at stuff like that is like laughing at the genecide of the jews or the genocides of Africa.they are in no way funny.

 

From my comprehension of the story I'm starting to think that the British used have an order complex or something where they have to keep everything in order or make dire consequences.

Just to get this straight: The British came to keep the people from protesting about uniformity so they could have freedom of belief. So the British made a blockade to stop the protesters and one group stayed to stone the army and the other group took another route. The British troops saw the protesters rioting so the person in charge gave them the right to open fire. And so they did.

Is that what happened?

And you have a problem with it because you believe that people shouldn't be killed like that. Right?

I'm not sure exactly sure if I understood the story very well.

Personally I know this isn't my problem and I shouldn't be involved...but I'm going to throw in my two cents. This will be my only comment on this.

to Muffin Man: if you don't have anything intelligent to say in this section then DON'T POST.

to Daxma: You can't reason with a fool.

 

Thanks allison but you don't get it fully.They weren't given the order to open fire,they were given the right to arrest people suspected of trying to starting something but opened fire.All the people that were going to try something saw the march was doing good so pocketed the guns.The british army opened fire on the innocent people.People flew white flags and they were still shot in the back or head or if on the ground they came close range and shot them.

Afterwards the british involved got medals of honor from the queen and tried to cover up it all.They covered up the SAS presence in the area.They imagined up a story where they say an IRA sniper Shot first.Four protestant doctors covered them too and the one catholic involved said 4-6 were shot in the front in the head while the rest were shot twice.

 

How do you know there wasn't a sniper? The Troubles weren't exactly the best time for accurate information.

Both sides made stupid mistakes, Omagh bombing much? How about the bombing of a civilian remembrance service? My parents grew up in the Troubles and tell me stories about how impossible it was to get around Belfast with all of the roadblocks that had to be put up to deal with the terrorist threat.

The IRA (and all other paramilitary groups for that matter) is a joke. They may have had a reason to fight way back when but now they are just not welcome. Even back then they were just being sore losers. The British won, the Irish lost boohoo get over it and stop blowing up innocents.

Also, just to mention the fact that American politicians openly supported the IRA and even funded them describing them as "freedom fighters". Yeah, thanks for that. (not only that, they are now protecting the murderers from extradition saying that it wouldn't be safe to send them back for a proper trial >_>)

 

Bunterx i personally think your entitled to you opinion and this is a much better response than Muffin Man.there are reports from many eyewitnesses that a person on the walls watching the march took the first shot.If a sniper took a shot he'd be found out and shot which didn't happen.there was about one IRA member there who was to my own surprise was protecting three or four behind him after the british opened fire.One young 17 year old took out his fathers shotgun after they shot him dead when he was running away.They had to knock the poor young fella out.Thats as many guns as the catholics had. The thing about your parents,it's the same with some of my relatives,that it's a memory to us but it's different in the that you were there when it happened.

I agree with your view of the IRA.Most've them have become thugs and drug dealers and keep fighting with some unofficial loyalist army in the north somewhere,i forget the name.I only heard that one of it's leaders died not so long ago.The Omagh bombing was a cowardly act and they shouldn't have done such a thing.I would understand if it were a barracks or something but not innocent human beings.The thing about the IRA is that it was born of the hatred against the british taking over ireland and discriminating against us.

The thing that you mentioned about america helping them escape trial,the fact is that at the time, they would've been returned to a unionist government which would've executed them all on sight or even worse,leave them go free to be killed in the north within 12 hours.

At the start of the IRA they were doing nobal work even during all the gerrymandering but now...it just isn't on.I personally believe that Eamon De Valera's methods were the most effective.Fighting the battles that need fighting and use the words and politics and your brains all at the necssesary times.

I'm glad you voiced your opinion bunterx.

 

Oh man don't remind me of those, i'll start laughing again.

 

So you rage that innocent Irish people were killed and that I can understand, yet you then go on to say that you and your friends/cousins want to kill all British people as a form of revenge?

That makes a whole lot of sense :noworries:

How are people meant to move on from the past and start living for a new future when people cannot let go of the past?

Too many people feel they are owed something for events which happened before they were even born.

Yes the past is very sad and it is horrible when people lose their lives over conflict, however dragging it out and over into new generations achieves nothing.