Birth by Sleep Birth By Sleep Theorys

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  1. The Joker Gummi Ship Junkie

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    This is a theory. I did not make this and can no way take credit for it's flaws or perfections. This was part of a keyblade theory that Master Riku 789 made on KH insiders. Part of the theory is as follows:

    If part of the weilder's heart gives birth to a keyblade, then what happens when the keyblade loses the peice of it's weilder's heart that gave it birth. If the peice of the weilder's heart that created the keyblade is stolen from the keyblade then that part of the weilder's heart will create an unbirth. Why are they called unbirths? Because due to the keyblade losing the peice of it's weilder's heart that gave it birth, then losing that peice of it's weilders heart will take reverse the effect and the keyblade will no longer exist. thus the name unbirth.


    Dissapereance:

    We know that the unbirths mysteriously dissapeared shortly after birth by sleep, so how did they dissapear? We know there are as many keyblades as there are quilified hearts to weild them. so the keyblades are limted by the number of people quailified to weild them, example: if there are 500 qualified people to weild a keyblade then there are only 500 keyblades. As such the unbirths are limited to the number of keyblades, eventually the limited number of unbirths were wiped out and thus they dissapeared.

    I made the one that follows though I am still working on it:

    I have some theorys on The Room of Sleep and The Room of Awakening and there involvment with Unbirths. We know The Room of Sleep was constructed after Xehanort sent Ansem the Wise into the Dark Realm but what about The Room of Awakening? Xemnas thought that it was in Castle Oblivion so could it be there the whole time? The title: Birth By Sleep got me thinking about this. What if one could go into a sleep in The Room of Sleep and be rebirthed in The Room of Awakening as a new person with a stronger heart? There might have been another Room of Sleep before that or something though we will not know really until the game comes out. What if one without a strong heart attempted this proccess and failed so insted of a rebirth got a unbirth? Perhaps Xehanort built The Room of Sleep to aid in this proccess of rebirth. If there was no Room of Sleep then that would explain why so many people failed and were unbirthed. Xehanort says he has a "special friend" in the Room of Sleep which may be why he built The Room of Sleep. So that the said friend would not fail and become a unbirth. Xemnas is searching for The Room of Awakening in Castle Oblivion so the person might be ready for awakening. The name: Birth By Sleep souds like it will have something to do with The Room of Sleep, unbirth, rebirth, and if The Room of Sleep is to be involved The Room of Awakening might be involved or mentioned. Perhaps the name: Birth By Sleep means it will talk about a past version of The Room of Sleep.

    Some new things I am adding to this theory, and some ideas I am taking away.
    Terra is Xehanort. In the cut scene that we see the blue Kingdom Hearts with we see his eyes flash yellow. Xehanort's eyes turned this color after being in the darkness for some time. Terra looses memory after being in darkness and when the battle was over and Ven gave his heart to Sora Master Xehanort posseses Terra or tells Terra that his name is Xehanort and to follow darkness so that he may regain his memories and friends. Terra constructed the Room of Sleep to help hold the soul of Aqua and sought the Room of Awakening.

    Perhaps the apprentice posseses Terra and that tells why Terra has a guard shadow and I think it's destroyed twice and that might support this by the apprentice being seen able to split in two. Some people believe this might be the first Heartless and Nobody.

    Another theory I have on the apprentice is that the apprentice is Xemnas and this is supported by both the apprentice and Xemnas being able to battle as two people. The apprentice in the cut scene and Xemnas in the final battle.

    Xemnas's special friend is Aqua. If the apprentice is Xemnas then that might mean that the apprentice might believe he is Xehanort or atleast acts like it. Though chances are this was mocking. During the battle with Xemnas he wears Aqua's armor. This might mean that whatever used it before now does not need it and that Aqua has awakend.

    Perhaps the Room of Sleep was built to house souls/conciousness until one could be rebirthed in the Room of Awakening.

    Xion theory:
    Xion is the Nobody of Aqua. When Aqua saw Ven seal his heart into Sora she did this also except she sealed her's in Kairi's who eventually sealed it into Sora who eventually became a Heartless. Namine and Roxas are the special Nobodys, Xion is the normal one. Perhaps Roxas is the Nobody of Ven's heart in Sora like others have said. The reason Xion has no memorys is becasue Xehanort has her conciousness. Something happens and she is reunited with her consioucness and she becomes Aqua again. Thus history repeats itself. People say that some Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts games follow a similar theme. Perhaps what Rufus Shinra said in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children is true. If the Lifestream is the very nature of life and it is always circiling and repeating then history must follow the same path and repeat.

    Unbirth theory:
    Unbirths are souls that did not get the Room of Sleep. That is why Xehanort wanted Aqua in the Room of Sleep.

    Perhaps Terra tried to merge with the blue Kingdom Hearts and that is how he lost his memory.

    All of these are theorys and if there is some plot hole remember there might be a unknown factor in the equation of what happens.

    Credits to Ximecky and a lot of other people for theorys and ideas.
     
  2. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    Personally i don't think so.The Unbirths are made of somthing much more simple.They wouldn't make it too complicated.
    I have my own theories and i think that these ideas are too far fetched with hardly any evidence to have any possiblity of truth.
    There might be some aspects of this theory that are possible though.
     
  3. The Joker Gummi Ship Junkie

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    I thought of two theorys on Unbirths and I wanted to ask if these were more possible:

    Could a Unbirth be the light of a Heart? The Heartless are made of the darkness of a Heart.

    Could a Unbirth be a result when a Nobody dies without it's Heartless already dead? I think I read something about Axel's Heartless being dead so that is why he was able to show emotion. When the Nobody dies and the Heartless is already dead it is rebirthed normally. Without the Heart it is birthed unnormally and becomes a Unbirth.

    Could those two theories be more possible then the first?
     
  4. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    The light thing might just be right,i mean we don't know where it goes.Darkness goes with the heart to form a heartless,the body left behind makes nobodies and maybe the soul and light makes an unbirth.
     
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    I highly enjoy these theories. Good find.

    Except for one small question. How can Xemnas be the apprentice when he himself is the nobody of Xehanort?
     
  6. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    What remember what xemnas said at the start of KHII "I am all that remains...or maybe i'm all that ever was..." well maybe terra was the heartless and the apprentice was the nobody because Xehanorts heartless looks more like terra than xemnas ever did.
     
  7. What? 『 music is freedom 』

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    It could be quite plausible, but if Terra was the Heartless and the apprentice was the Nobody, who do you think would be the original person? Another person altogether? Personally, I would think they would at least hint us of him in one of the trailers, if this theory were to be correct.
     
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    well maybe it was just a combination of the two of them and when he was taken by the darkness as terra would they seperated.Have you noticed that Xehanorts heartless was accumulating kingdom hearts and yet had no specific goal that we knew of except that since mickey said that he was a heartless that it was his tendency to do it and we thought that he only wanted to destroy everything but maybe that wasn't it...maybe it was his attempt to gain his friends back.He was never a heartless, he was terra.
    Maybe since the apprentice and terra had been together for 10 years he couldn't tear himself from his memories and that is why he seeked kingdom hearts too,to get his friends back.They believed that since it was Master Xehanort that created it and that it was where hearts resided that there friends hearts were their.
     
  9. What? 『 music is freedom 』

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    Great mini-theory. Yes, it could explain the true reason of Ansem's former goal. It could even also be the same goal that Xemnas was attempting to achieve, yet he was hiding it behind a veil of what some assumed to be getting hearts back for the Nobodies, and except for the fact that Xemnas, (taking into account he may have been the apprentice) wanted to destroy Aqua and Ven completely. Possibly by stabbing their hearts with a weapon of some sort. Ansem the Wise, possibly knowing the true meaning too, could have blasted a hole in it on purpose, as he, knowing what good they had done, did not want Xemnas the apprentice to erase all traces of existence of Aqua and Ven.

    Sorry if the theory or even the grammar sounds somewhat odd, I'm a little tired.
     
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    No. No. No.

    Xehanort = Ansem the Wise's apprentince

    Xehanort's heartless/Ansem = Xehanort's heartless

    Xemnas = Xehanort's nobody

    Stop trying to change things around even more.​