Birth by Sleep Birth By Sleep isn't real?

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  1. TheMuffinMan Banned

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    So I was thinking about BBS.

    I always had found it very strange that the way Terra summons his Keyblade seems entirely different from that of Sora...Sora's is summoned in what appears to be a natural sense, lights and sparkles flash around and form into the keyblade...but with Terra, it seems like weird blue particles form it...reminiscent of...electricity..or technology/data

    Essentially, it reminded me a lot of how it looked when Roxas summoned his Keyblade within Ansem the Wise's data Twilight Town..

    So that got me thinking...perhaps both instances differ from what we would consider a "normal" summoning animation, because they're both what it looks like when a Keyblade is summoned in a digital world...? What I'm saying is, what if Birth By Sleep is a simulation? What if the events taking place in the game, is someone reliving the past in a similar fashion to that of the Data Twilight Town?

    Now I don't think that Birth By Sleep's events are fake...no, I'm sure the events in the game actually took place...but what we are actually playing in Birth By Sleep is just a simulation of those events.. And, based on my connection drawn with Roxas's Data Twilight Town, we could assume that it's with Ansem the Wise's technology..or something similar.

    So, perhaps Birth By Sleep is just a reliving of a someone's past, experiencing the memories locked away inside them through a simulation, which fabricates past events/memories the same way Twilight Town existed as a simulation within Sora's mind. And when you think about it, Ansem the Wise's data world was used in the assistance of returning Sora's memories...

    So, if a certain someone we know has no recollection of their past, and has access to the same technology that Ansem the Wise clearly had at his disposal...perhaps Birth By Sleep's story is of that person's past, experienced again through a computer and used to return their memory to them.

    This scenario fits rather snuggly with the game's title, and at the same time leaves room to give insight on the enigmatic "Room of Sleep" and "Room of Awakening", which we learned of in Final Mix+ but know nothing of.

    In order to gain his memories back Sora had to be asleep, and the process of getting his memories back had him seeing his past in the form of a data simulation. Your memories return to you through a process involving sleep, hence "Birth by Sleep", so the game's title would imply precisely what Sora went through..only I don't think it's talking about Sora, it's talking about someone else.

    Perhaps Birth by Sleep is taking place in either the "Room of Sleep" or the "Room of Awakening", or through it's story we'll inadvertently find out what they are, where they are, and what their purpose is.

    So, in summation...Birth by Sleep could be a simulation using Ansem the Wise's technology to relive their past and return their lost memories. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Jube Formerly Chuck's

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    Actually thats what I was thinking, sort of like a genetic memory.
     
  3. Shadows Of Oblivion Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Possibly... I'm pretty sure that at SOME point, we'll find out the whole story about those two rooms... as for the image of Terra summoning a Keyblade... that's one of TWO ways that we see him do that... the other is like in FMII...
     
  4. Number13Roxas King's Apprentice

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    What if Birth By Sleep was a dream itself and Sora was born through the dreams of Terra.
     
  5. Hakurei Reimu Take my hand. And then I'll fly with you right up

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    So ur insisting that it's merely a simulation of the past...It's a well put theory, but I have to disagree. It would b quite disappointing to see this game end with the fact it was just data...
     
  6. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    Muffin's theory does have that whole dream cliche written all over it. But the point is that we already know that the events in BBS have already happened. How we revisit the past will simply be a arbitrary in the long run of the story. Even if something like this did end up happening, it's not in Square to use the cheesy soap opera plot as an easy way out.
     
  7. Shade Tail Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Wow, someone's been doing their homework, lol.
    This is an excellent theory :D
    I agree with the dream part, not so sure about the simulation though....
     
  8. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    That's pretty reasonable, although I'm not too sure. In the Terra battle in FM, many of Terra's moves show that data-like animation even though his battle doesn't take place in a simulation. For example, when he's charging up his cannon, and the second phase of his desperation move where he surrounds himself with the "data". So unless data animations can hurt people in KH, I'm not sure I want to go with that idea.

    That dream thing, however makes more sense...
     
  9. Lord Knight Xiron Hollow Bastion Committee

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    That's pretty well thought out. A well-argued theory.

    However, you said that when Terra summons his keyblade it looks different, like when Roxas summons his in the simulated Twilight Town. However, looking at the pictures now, I one in which wind is swirling toward his hand and a normal light is appearing the same way that it does for Sora. And in another, I see bolts of electricity around the keyblade with remnants of light around it, as though it had just been summoned normally. The wind and lightning look more as though they are just special effects added when Terra summons his keyblade - after all, its rather obvious that Terra's blade isn't exactly like all the others we've seen. The digital summoning at the beginning of KHII, numbers and symbols came up in a cylinder out of Roxas' hand, not lightning or wind.

    EDIT: Ooops. I just saw the picture you were talking about. That one does look like digital Twilight Town. Interesting. Apparently, he has 3 different ways of summoning his keyblade. Well, I have no arguments for you, then. Good theory!
     
  10. Clawtooth Keelah se'lai!

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    that would explain the two podes that were already used at the beginning of KHII, you know, the ones that hosed neither donald nor goofy.
     
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    Very interesting , it could be all just a dream , birth by sleep , there is ring in that name . :3
     
  12. A very interesting theory, but would it not be Xehanort who would have lost his memories
     
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    Well sometimes peoples forget or lose their memories but they are not lost forever and eventually people remember those memories again .
     
  14. TheMuffinMan Banned

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    Perhaps, it would be quite a cliche, but even so I think that with the right art direction it would be quite a memorable turn of events, no matter if it's a soap opera cliche' or not =P

    I just think it'd be cool mindfreak sorta moment. Like throughout the game there are certain points where you sorta notice a data influence, perhaps an out of place flickering stream of data here, or a strange almost digitalized skyline there, but you never make the connection right away

    But then at the end of the game after the big final battle, you stand victorious...and then suddenly you look around, and everything around you is slowly deteriorating into numbers, letters, mathematical symbols...the very landscape around you returns to data form and there's a flash of light

    Suddenly the scene cuts to a pure white room with a lone pod standing in the middle, it slowly opens and an unknown figure steps out slowly, the camera pans over them without showing their face, and all you see is a final shot of their eyes slowly opening, and the single line "I remember everything now" before the screen turns black and the credits roll

    Just picturing it in my head like that makes me think that it could be a cool turn of events, even if "it was all just a dream", hehe.
     
  15. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Wait a second! That's actually a good point. Maybe Terra, Aqua, and Ven were in those pods before... I think this whole dream theory makes even more sense now...
     
  16. key dragon One with the keyblade

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    This would be pretty cool, but if that certain someone is "dead" already, wouldn't this seem pretty weird.
     
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    That's an interesting theory. I don't think that it's a simulation, but the Room of Awakening part sounds right. It could proabably be someone's memories too, since the game takes place 10 years before KH1.
     
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    Good theory there my friend. It takes a lot of reasoning to make up a good theory. Maybe Xemnas is in "The Room of Sleep", where hes trying to recover all of hes lost memories to try and discover hes real self and past.
     
  19. Dredica SNES was the best.

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    Hmm...okay kinda off topic, but if you people go to the sites all about the 'secret endings' for kh2 and kh2 final mix+, they talk nothing about birth by sleep. Which is cooler, because they say way more stuff about the secret endings, which can make you think really hard about birth by sleep. Oh yeah, ansem has to be in the story, or atleast mentioned, cuase there is ansem reports in that game, isn't there? Cause I don't think we've had 'ansem report 0' yet, and arn't the secret endings with the ansem reports in them, supposed to be for the next game to come out? Not sure if I'm wording this right, I'm tired.
     
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    this theory is very good, the entire game would probably be white haired apprentice xehanort going through those memories to find out about his past

    in fact here is my own theory that is an extentions of muffins

    xehanort is replaying those memories to get back his own, (this theory kinda plays on the theory that xehanort is terra but taken over by master xehanort) and thus would explain playing the game from terras perspective

    lol, i could deffinately be wrong but meh, just a thought
     
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