Birth by Sleep BBS Character Theories

My view

K so after some long hard thinking I came up on my own (without help :P) that some of these theories are true. Idc if ppl say there wrong but I am 100% positive about 1 thing.

Terra is Xehanort (apprentice version). If i remember when looking for info that Terra nearly became a heartless and in the process or sometime later he lost all his memories as all 3 did in the kh2fm secret ending (i believe). The only thing left in his head was the name Xehanort. So he has lived his life as xehanort appreticing to ansem the wise. Pretty much after that he wants to experiment on his heart further than ansem the wise does. In the process he disobeys ansem and causes himself to become a heartless. THis created Ansem from KH1 which was his heartless. and his nobody Xemnas in kh2. I believe it is Xehanort (apprentice version) who looked at aquas armour. Therefore im sure that he is terra. Also if you look at a scene in fm+ forget who talks about it but 2 organization members talk about the room of sleep or soemthing and that "Xemnas" was looking for the room of awakenness. THey also talk about keeping Xemnas' "Secret". Im sure this was that he was terras nobody or that xehanort was terra. Also i beleive that the room of awakening is where Xehanort aka terra wants to find VEN. Ven could be in there.

On a side note about MX apprentice, this is somehting i just thought up so don't flame it. THe apprentice looks liek riku in hearless form but what if now that we know that terra is Xehanort. Ansem from kh1 now has the link to riku. It is believed that terra passes the keyblade powers to Riku. THis would explain rikus connection to terras hearless, ansem (KH1). It also states in the games that riku will never get rid of the darkness. So the apprentice could very well be Terras heartless. But thats something very hard to know right know.

About MX and Xigbar. Its very possible. Braig as well as other members of the organization are meant to be seen in bbs in their "somebody" form. Xigbar said he was there during the time of the wars in kh2. I dont believe he is the apprentice but i have a theory. Some may say why doens't he have a keyblade then? Ill answer that but first its good for you to know that most or all of the organization memebers were apprentices to ansem the wise. Its also said that braig/xigbar is said to have a bigger role than the others.

To anser the keyblade question ill start with this. Xigbar would be MX nobody. nobodys don't age so taht saves that question. MX wielded the keyblade tho? Well In the BBS trailer MX says "THose that submit to darkness are not qualified to wield the keyblade" After the battle with Aqua, Ven and Terra nobody won the battle and all of them lost their memories. When MX became Braig he couldn't remember he could wield the keyblade. When Braig became a nobody he remembered his past life and the keyblade. He was ashamed he let himself fall in to the darkness. He decided not to use the keyblade out of shame because then hed be a hypocrite. He never told anyone he could wield it.

Think about those theories i said post on my wall if you wanna talk about it.
PS i didn't add the faces and how they all look alike cuz i figured it was a given.

 

RockmanDS' overly complicated theory

As for the Xehanort=Terra I'm sticking with the "Xehanort is Terras Unversed" crowd until proven other wise. As for Master Xehanorts Apprentice I've come up with a rather complicated theory.

Spoiler

I think that the Apprentice is Sora from an alternate timeline where Riku gained the Keyblade as he was supposed to and Sora instead became Maleficents pawn and since Sora had Kairis heart was able to open the Final keyhole and Sora becomes Xehanorts vessal, Riku defeats Xehanorts Heartless in the End of the World and frees Sora, who winds up with the Dark Realms Keyblade instead of King Mickey, from there he and Riku lock the door with Soras final words before being sealed being "Good-bye" (As opposed to Riku saying "Take care of her") knowing he can never face Kairi again after the things he did.
Riku makes a promise to Kairi that he will bring Sora back. While in the realm of darkness Sora finds his way to Castle Oblivion and discovers the members of Organization XIII (Sans Roxas) plot to use Riku to overthrow Xenmas (but are going about it abit differently due to the the lack of Namine as well), Resolving to help his friend from the dark, Sora defeats the members who are occupying the castle including Axel.
Not long after that Sora tries to take the fight to the Organizations world but is beaten back by Saix, Sora then turns the tables and wounds Saix by tapping the power of darkness (like how Riku overpowered Roxas) and escapes.
Sometime later he meets DiZ and helps him with his revenge assuming the role of "Ansem".
From there the events of KH 2 play out with Sora and Rikus roles reversed, with some differences, Xigbar is the one who captures Kairi, The group finally meets King Mickey for the first time in Twilight Town, and it's Sora who opens the path to the World That Never Was. From there the group defeats the remnents of Org XIII and rescues Kairi (Whom Sora tries to avoid but Kairi sees through this and makes him stay), when they meet Ansem trying to encode Kingdom Hearts he apologies to Sora for using him for his own selfish reasons as the mechine explodes and returns Sora to normal.
From here the group defeats Xenmas when he tries to use Kingdom Hearts power against them, while it puts a huge strain on Sora he is able to open one last Corridor of Darkness for the group to escape but as in the other timeline it closes before Sora and Riku can go through it.
After a grueling battle they are finally able to but Xenmas down for good but Riku wound up fatally injured by a blow meant for Sora, and was unable to fend off the Dusks that attacked them after. Sora, the only one left wandered the Dark Meridian alone for years unable to return home, called out to anyone who could show him how to fix all that had gone wrong, answering his call a Door to the past appeared before him (like how one appeared for Pete.)
taking him back ten years before the storm on Destiny Islands. From there he would don a new armor, conceal his face and find himself apprenticed by Master Xehanort, after the events of Birth by Sleep he would take the fading heart of one Ventus and place it within the Sora of that timeline changing the coarse of history and setting in motion the Kingdom Hearts story we all know, while the other Sora would go into hiding to remanice about his past and his mistakes

 

Xehanort (apprentice version) could be terras unversed. Because terra was full of hate towards MX and he nearly became a heartless. Somewhat makes sense. But Aprentice xehanort wasn't mad all the time or full of anger and hate that was Xemnas. to be unversed you have to be full of hate and anger which terra was but i strongly doubt an unversed can become a heartless and then a nobody. I stil think that Terra is Aprrentice Xehanort.

BTW its also a fact that Xemnas is a special nobody just like roxas. not to sure on that topic but could be a factor in KH3.

As for your time travel theory. its very hard to belive. Sora wouldn't be in there because he himself is there already as a 5 year old or something.

Nice theories just DONT BELIEVE YOUR THEORIES
Sorry :P
PS If you do actually get this right post it everywhere taht you thought it up first lol /wink

 

I laughed at this theory. Why would Terra kill his own species. It's unbirth not unverse. There isn't anything hinting of time-travel and if so why wasn't it mentioned. Saix kidnapped Kairi after Axel did not Xigbar. Sora doesn't use darkness and he didn't lose to Saix

2 sentences that shatter this whole theory. Heartless and nobodies didn't exist yet. Braig, Ienzo, Delan, Elaus, and Even were all aprrentices of Ansem the Wise. Read my theory on the other thread. It explains most of this.

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Here's a theory that makes since..kinda

Alright this is simliar to Daxma's theory but a bit different. I'm going to use poem at the end of RE:COM. Aqua helped me think this theory up along with Daxma's idea of Even being involved. This has explanations for other things too.

First I'll explain it in simple form. Even has an interest in hearts; correct?
What I'm thinking is that Repliku wasn't the first of his creations. I'm thinking that Even possibly wanted to make a keyblade wielder of the 2 main elements. Darkness and light.

So he created Ven and Dark soldier. Before you say anything it does have some partial proof. Xion was a creation as well correct? She was absorbed by Roxas which was gave him the dual wielding ability. I'm thinking that creations of life can be absorbed by humans when they're at their weakest.
So Repliku being a Riku copy could also become a keyblade hero if he'd turned to both. Riku may have absorbed Repliku giving him the ability to wield two soul-eaters= 2 possible keyblades.

Anyway after DS may have turned against Master Xehanort. MX could've had him at his weak point like Xion so MX absorbed DS and that's how XH has both clothes and a guardian heartless. This also explains the non-canon MX splitting himself because the battle may take place towards the end.

Ven however was weakened by Aqua erasing but her being troubled by her lover asking her to erase him didn't erase him completely and kids being kids Sora comes by accidently absorbing him.

Even creating DS also shows how Repliku came to have the armor but it wasn't complete. Ven's keyblade wasn't complete because he isn't real


That's about it and I bet one of the theory people are going to say this is just a bunch of crap put together because that's what this. It's just what I think.
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1. I never considered braig in this equation...maybe he got that scar and lost his eye because of Terra, or maybe he's "Xehanort"'s son
2. yes, Terra is xehanort. maybe he used dark power too much and turned evil. (this could also cause an unbirth maybe, we don't know how one's created, do we?) I hope Xehanort's voice in KH2 isn't Terra's voice. it sounds like a robot.
3. the vessel theory is good
4. (I haven't played 358/2 days so I wouldn't know if I'm all wrong about this) maybe the vessel theory is true for aqua too, but it somehow makes her younger and she turns into Xion? maybe aqua somehow passed the keyblade on to Kairi
5. maybe he's a replica of "Xehanort"? or maybe a robot. or Braig

 

Was that a subliminal message to rick roll me?

and that theory is good but i dont think that'd happen.
Nomura is probably hiding as an ordinary member somewhere here and everytime we guess a correct theory itl change :P

^ that's my theory :D

 

I see the similiarities, and it even brings Xigbar's cryptic message to mind (The Keyblade sure picked a dud this time, you don't look like half the hero the others were). Nomura said that Braig saw TVA battling with their Keyblades, but he didn't elaborate if they were fighting him. I, however, don't believe this theory. I actually think that Xehanort was the newest recruit to the apprentices. Braig doesn't have a keyblade, or any link to them. I don't think Master Xehanort =/= Braig namewise. Except for the physical similarities, this theory never had much foundation. Xigbar didn't even have that big a role in the Organization. He was only number 2, because he was one of the original 6. ​

Yep. I agree with this. I believe Terra lost his memories and remembered the name "Xehanort" and that's what Ansem stuck him with.​

I think that Sora's body and soul merged with Ven's heart to make a Nobody with a heart. The heart shapes the body, which would explain the resemblance. Or Sora's soul with Ven's body and heart. Ven's body could have lost its soul without dying thanks to an unknown factor.

That theory's ruined due to Xion's real origin.
I think one of two things: 1. Aqua has no real mystery behind her. She's not connected to SRK. Not every single character of BBS needs to have some complicated relationship with SRK. or 2. THe complete opposite. Her fate is even more important than Terra's, MX, DS, and Ven's.​

I agree with the Xehanort theories. I'm even thinking of something along the lines of Terra losing part of himself which turns into the LS and DS merging with Terra to make him a new person "Xehanort".
This expands on my theory here:​

That sounds really unlikely​

That sounds like a good fanfic but unlikely story.

I don't understand how an UnBIRTH could make a Heartless and Nobody if it's not even a person.​

 

It's been confirmed unbirth. The supposed reason the game is called Birth By Sleep is to match with the story meaning unbirths and room of sleep making my theory even more right

 

The last parts was due to the time travel theory. Although, I don't believe that either.
Terra kill his own species? Roxas fought Nobodies. That's the same thing.​

We don't know that for sure. WilliamTheWise and I have been debating on whether Xehanort CREATED Pureblood Heartless, Emblem Heartless, and by extension, Nobodies (WtW) or whehter he DISCOVERED Pureblood Heartless, produced Emblem Heartless to massively increase his army, and Nobodies were a side effect (Me). I'm waiting on BBS to settle that.
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That makes some sense. But I don't think Even would have been able to do that yet, but I don't know for sure.​

Riku chose Darkness, got Soul Eater, amplified it with Light and got a Keyblade, Way to the Dawn.
Mickey's Keyblade is a Keyblade of Darkness. So I don't know if choosing Darkness is a good reason to lose the Keyblade, even though Riku did it. If the whole "A man infused with darkness is not meant to wield the Keyblade" or whatever was talking about DS, then DS already used darkenss and still had a Keyblade.​

I wouldn't be surprised.​

 

Roxas killed nobodies out of self-defense. TVA are going around slaughtering them. Remember the scene where he just runs up the castle and hacks at an unbirth. Even has had an interest in the heart and was known for his expiriem...crap can't remember how to spell expiriements

 

But all the aprentices had an interest in the heart. I mean Ansem The Wise himself wanted to know about the darkness in hearts so all of them worked on experiments to learn more about the heart, not just Even.

And right now we have no indication of Even working on a project alone.

The only time he is even mentioned in an experiment is this

 

I think the 'This character looks like that Character, therefore they are the same person' Theories are a load of bull. To be honest, I can't see much resemblence between Xigbar and MX, and Braig already exists at this time as Ansem's apprentice. Nor do I think Xehanort and Terra look the same, the chin, eye colour and hair colour are all different, the only thing the same is a vaguely similar hairstyle. And if Terra somehow became Xehanort, who in turn became a Heartless and Nobody, then how the hell is Terra walking around fighting Sora in KH2 FM+?

That theory is very interesting and would make for some thrilling fanfiction, but unlikely to be true.

 

That fight wasn't canon. Meaning it didn't happen in the storyline.
That may not even be Terra under that armor, anyway.

 

I wasn't saying he is an unbirth I was trying to see the other guys view. He posted before me so i worked it out in my head. I don't believe hes an unbirth. As for the braig and stuff I never said there was a nobody in bbs i was linking things together in all the kh games. And btw in the kh universe heartless did exist at that time. Look it up. All the ppl in bbs i mentioned were the SOMEBODY form. The orginal person they were. I stick to everything i said :P The braig theory is the only thing that i am still working on. AND tell me how exatly nobodys didn't exist. THis game is only 10 years from the first. Did you also realize taht the organization is 10 YEARS OLD!!

This proves my theory to Scralett Knight (I hope) and clears what Ramen-Ku thinks.

As for the braig theory. Ramen you may be right but i don't believe its that out there for a theory. Everything links together very well. It gives a lot of proof so until you show me another with even more links and proof ill stick with this one.
Like you said

Theories: The best part of unreleased games.

Sorry for the double post but the one i said above is meant for scarlett knight and ramen ku :P tried to quote them but soemthing was going haywire.

 

Well since Unversed grow off of negative emotions maybe if enough negative emotions gather in an Unversed it forms an "Anti-Heart" of sorts.

Well I also think my theory is really unlikely but I think since we know next to nothing about MXs apprentice anything goes until more info about him becomes available, plus if I'm right I think my head will pop.:laughing-smiley-004 :lolface:

 

i think the event making Terra change was when the darkness entered his heart near the end of the secret ending(when his eyes turn yellow)
your kairi xion aqua is wrong because xion is part of Sora and everyone is forgetting about namin'e .
and i think sora and vens heart merged when ven surrendered his life to revive his hearts.then when they released they broke away sora's went into sora ven's went into roxas.
Oh and someone said terra's eyes hair and skin are diferent colours
at end of the secret ending terra's eyes went yellow from the darkness entering his heart(same colour as xehanorts)

 

Yeah i think william the wise was just confused. It was a canon. He just had the meaning mixed.

O and btw just to add on my theory on the first page. This isn't really evidence or proof but i have a feeling and believe that the DS is the main enemy. Cuz really the last boss and old guy? Also i think MX isn't as bad as it seems. I just thought i'd throw that out there. I don't feel like typing another theory out again lol

 

Nomura said so himself. I can't remember if he said if it was canon or not, but he did say whether or not Terra is the Lingering Sentiment is uncertain and in a different interview, irrevelant.​

 

Nomura, and no it isn't.

He's basically saying it.
Like the sephy fight in KH1. It didn't happen in the storyline.
If it doesn't matter whose under the armor, then the fight is unimportant besides giving a teaser to the next game

lol no,
I know the difference