Kingdom Hearts II Axel Riku's nobody? (Theory on how)

I think Axel is Riku's nobody... even though he gave into darkness... and didn't become a heartless... I think his story follows on through Namine's story O.O I'll explain.



NOTE, SPOILERS AHEAD!






Kairi never became a heartless. She became a nobody when Sora unlocked his heart for her. And, Kairi was in his heart. Well, what if Riku was there too? I mean they are best friends and everything. Even so, all through Kingdom Hearts 1 you hear him say "I need to find Riku And Kari!" So, what if Riku's nobody was created the same way she was? And thus him being, Axel...?

I dunno, just a thought. I thought of this when I realized Axel and Riku look wayyy to alike, act the same, friends with Roxas/Sora, and just the overall perspective. What do you all think about my theory? I think it could work honestly. I mean like... ok, do this, put a pic of Riku and Axel side by side and compare.

Same length hair (Axel's is just more spikey and red) Same eyes, same facial features from when Riku grew up, same sadistic smile and laugh, same overall mindset. If it isn't Riku's nobody, something is kinda fishy here... I'm starting to think all of the Organization members are passed friends or characters.

For instance... has anyone else noticed Hayner from kh2 looks a hell of a lot alike as Lexaeus? Or, Ansem the wise looks like Organization XIII's Luxord? Something is kinda fishy here...

 

Or your face recognition is stuffed.

Just kidding.

Well they are good thoughts, but there are a few things wrong with it.

Kairi went inside Sora because her body was taken by heartless, but her heart was pure, thus could not be touched by darkness. This meant it seeked refuge in Sora.

Riku though... even assuming he did loose his heart, he never went into Sora's heart. Sora just was concerned for him.

 

Well, it was stated by someone in kingdom hearts 1. (I think Xenhort) that said Riku's heart was gone, his heart belonged to the darkness. But, he came back, and, he was on the same road/place sora was when he thought he as going crazy and stuff, just like Kairi and Roxas. So, I think it could work. I mean like, all the stuff is right there, it's just mixed up.

 

Interesting theory. I'd like to know more about Axel, and even more I'd like to find out more about Riku. And admittedly, they do have some personality similarities. Hmm.

 

Yes, they do. So does Hayner and Lexaus. And ansem the wise and Luxlord. Something is is very strange here, I'm starting to think about 67% of the people you meet, are nobodies or, Organization XIII members...

 

Ummmmm, I can't agree with what you are saying. Didn't you ever see the part of remix showing how roxas got his name? They took sora's name, took the r and put it infront, then the o, then they put the x (the orginization sig), then the a then the s. But, axel can't be riku's nobody because when you take away the x in his name, then all you are left with is lea, and none of those letters are in riku's name. Plus, axel would have similarities of riku. Not to mention, that something like that, if it was true, then it would have been obviously stated in the kingdom hearts series.

 

It's more kairi was heartless but since shes a princess of the hearts she wouldn't turn into a heartless herself but she still lost her heart and yeah riku doesn't have a nobody get over it D:

 

I doubt Axel is Riku's nobody, though your comparison of the two was rather accurate. I didn't realize they had so much in common.

 

Tetsuya Nomura was probably having fun and made the charactors similar to others.

Like Cloud is wearing Vincent's cape in kh1
and in FF X-2 Yuna is wearing Tidus' blitzball symbol on her shirt and cut her hair similar to his.She also uses his sword in Warrior form. but in kh2 she has mickey's symbol on her shirt.

Tetsuya just likes to do stuff like that XP
He likes to make you think XP

 

Kairi never became a heartless. She became a nobody when Sora unlocked his heart for her. And, Kairi was in his heart. Well, what if Riku was there too? I mean they are best friends and everything. Even so, all through Kingdom Hearts 1 you hear him say "I need to find Riku And Kari!" So, what if Riku's nobody was created the same way she was? And thus him being, Axel...?

I dunno, just a thought. I thought of this when I realized Axel and Riku look wayyy to alike, act the same, friends with Roxas/Sora, and just the overall perspective. What do you all think about my theory? I think it could work honestly. I mean like... ok, do this, put a pic of Riku and Axel side by side and compare.

Same length hair (Axel's is just more spikey and red) Same eyes, same facial features from when Riku grew up, same sadistic smile and laugh, same overall mindset. If it isn't Riku's nobody, something is kinda fishy here... I'm starting to think all of the Organization members are passed friends or characters.

For instance... has anyone else noticed Hayner from kh2 looks a hell of a lot alike as Lexaeus? Or, Ansem the wise looks like Organization XIII's Luxord? Something is kinda fishy here...[/QUOTE]

Axel is defnitely not Riku's Nobody and Riku does not have a Nobody. Nomura even said he did not when asked about it. The reason is because Riku never lost his Heart, or his mental whole being, despite the fact he lost his body for some time after donating it to Ansem and coming to regret that decision. His entire mental being was cast into Darkness, but Riku's heart and will survived there and even wandered around the place. When Riku stopped Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) from taking Kairi and the others, he held off Ansem and then his heart and soul, his entire mind was sent to Darkness while Ansem still had his body. However, they were still connected. When Ansem was defeated, Riku's body was returned to him and he had to stay in Darkness to avoid letting Ansem get out again. So in essence the only thing Riku ever lost was his body which he was still linked to, and he therefore he would not form a Nobody, because even his body was never destroyed. There simply was nothing of Riku available to form a Nobody at all.

Axel, to me, doesn't even really look that much like Riku. For one thing, Riku's eyes were Aquamarine in KH and CoM and turn a more teal sort of color in KH2 where as Axel's eyes are brilliant emerald green and in certain lighting appeared to be a pale greenish color. There's no blueish tint to his eyes in any scene. Axel's hair and Riku's are similar in length at some points, though in back, that's hard to discern. However, Axel's hair had been that way for years most likely. Zexion was 10 years older and yet trapped in a body that was no older appearing than when Ienzo casted himself to Darkness, and he also had the same hair style. Note how much also Zexion looks like Ienzo, even for the brief glimpse we see of him. Their heights were the same and builds were duplicate. The Nobodies do not age and seem frozen in the state they are in, and Xehanort and Xemnas mirror one another pretty well too. Axel is a good few inches taller than Riku and would have been a lot taller than him at 15, and is also lanky and lean. Riku has muscle mass and a more male physique as well. I'm not seeing this comparison truly.

You also bring up Kairi. Her situation was different. In KH we see her lose her Heart go to Sora, but her body and soul probably stayed to her body which Riku later acquires. When Sora used the Dark Keyblade that was made of the 6 Princesses of Hearts'...hearts, he opened up his Heart and hers to release them. Because he, like most normal people, had Darkness in his Heart, he was changed to a Shadow as his body was devoured by Darkness. That's where Roxas comes in to existence. It is also mentioned in the -true- Ansem Reports that Namine was also created at this time. Kairi's Heart was not included in the making of the Dark Keyblade so when all of the PoH's Hearts were returned to their bodies with its destruction, Kairi had no Darkness, but her Heart was released as was Sora's. It went back to her body and she was awakened. Because of the time the Heart was freed and Darkness was used, though she had no Darkness herself, Namine was created. Namine was considered a 'shell' of a Nobody even to the other Nobodies and to DiZ as well because of this condition of not losing everything other than her Heart for that brief moment.

As far as the others go, these are similarities I believe are just in the design of how people look in KH by the artwork. Lexaeus and Hayner cannot be related in such a way. For one thing, Hayner is a kid that appears around 15-16 years old and Lexaeus is a former apprentice to Ansem the Wise from 10 years ago and was a full adult as he looks now. Also, DiZ (Ansem) is never said to have a Nobody at all and just emersed himself in Darkness and sought revenge, but was obviously not a Heartless either, so he was someone similar to Riku that learned Dark abilities but never fully fell.

I hope that helps clarify it because quite a few people have posted that Axel is Riku's Nobody and really when it comes down to it, it makes no sense and is not even possible, and Nomura did say Riku had no Nobody since he never lost his Heart, even if his entire mental being was disembodied for a while and trapped within Darkness. He had a link to his body, and had his whole self mentally there so there simply was nothing to create a Nobody with, at any point in the story.

 

I actually have a queston about nobody as well. Is Roxas Sora's nobody? I was only wondering.​

 

Once again I owe you one, thanks repliku. You right, my theory can't work. Oh well, it was still fun trying.

 

Well you know this is one of the most interesting theories on Riku I have ever seen. But I think it isn't possible. I mean usually Nobodies look similer to the original person. Plus there names are usually scrambled then an X is added. Axel, really does not look like Riku at all does he? Also notice his name has no R,I,K or, U. I think Axel might be a Nobody of someone from the first KH but not Riku. Let's think about it, who might look similier to Axel? Also what do you think his name might be unscrambled? (Without the X)

 

Definitetly an interesting theory, but as usual, Repliku finds the way to counter it.

 

I can see why you thought it out because I will say at first I pondered the notion too but after doing some in depth looks at it, I had to let it go and then Nomura came out and said Riku had no Nobody. It would be nice to have learned about the lower Nobodies and see where they actually came from since we know a little about the top 6. Maybe in 358/2 Days we will get some back story on who each of the Nobodies were in their former lives. I do hope so and it just isn't all about Roxas so that we can understand their past lives and what gave them the attitudes they did have.

 

Nice theory, but Repliku pretty much cleared it up. I can see where your coming from, though. I've noticed these simillarities as well.

And they do seem to like doing the 'hand thing" xD

 

Wait, you mean we actually see Ienzo at some point? When is that?
Sorry if this is a stupid question....


Also, in the novel (not to be confused with the manga), Riku says he doesn't "feel any connection or empathy towards Axel."

Here.

If Axel were Riku's Nobody, wouldn't he feel some connection to Axel?

I don't know if that translation (or whatever...) is right or not, but... Just thought I'd point it out....


And Riku and Axel apparently met lots of times. If Axel were Riku's nobody, Axel would disappear, same as Roxas and Naminé did. He didn't.


I don't see Axel and Riku as having that much in common. They don't look the same to me and they don't have the same build. In Sora's and Roxas' case, I can see how light brown (Sora's hair) can turn into blond (Roxas'), but I can't see platinum silver turning into bright red. They do have some things in common in their personalities, but Sora and Roxas are the same person. So you'd think they'd choose similar best friends, right?


OK, I'm done now....

 

Exactly How do they look alike? Thats like saying: I think Zexion is Aqua's nobody
just because they have the same hair color..... Yes I am being sarcastic...

 

no way i happen to think they are too different but if he was then that would make sense also because of the scene in kh1fm with riku in the world of darkness he had his body taken away from him by ansem and when he regianed it he may have become a nobody

 

To shut everyones mouth about Axel being Riku's nobody heres a proof to all of ya.

It was STATED by TETSUYA NOMURA that Axel isn't Riku's NOBODY! Riku NEVER turned into a heartless! He was being POSSED not being overuned in his heart.

Hes heart never was devoured by darkness.