Kingdom Hearts II Ansem is cool...

Does anyone else think that Ansem had probably the strongest heart in all of kh?
I mean Riku had a strong heart but he lost his physical form to darkness...
Ansem created heartless, he existed so close to darkness but it couldn't touch him...
His apprentices were overcome by darkness and turned into nobodies....
But he always walked in the light.... Darkness in zero ( DIZ) is what he
called himself when he sought revenge on the organization...
Whenever the apprentices betrayed him he probably defended himself
against them.... Face it, Ansem is tough...

 

Your right. Ansem is strong, but, his revenge hunger made him realise that he was doing the wrong thing. Because of having wanting revenge, he died.

Sad the way he died through.

^^Rose^^

 

Ansem <DiZ> was tough but I would say that since he didn't really face the peril Riku did in the first place, his Heart isn't stronger than Riku's really. As a matter of a fact, he even said that if Riku had not been as he was, things could have turned out differently. In the end, perhaps Riku and Ansem learned things about each other with their time spent fixing Sora and also DiZ was talking to Riku and helped him deal with the Heartless within once he decided Riku was worthy of it. I do think he was a strong person to endure Darkness for all of those years though, definitely, and to not totally fall to corruption is a big accomplishment. He was in danger of it with his seeking revenge, but he did fight to do better and though he was pretty judgmental against the Nobodies, to include the point where he told Riku to get rid of Namine, he had a reason to have his negative attitude. He doesn't get mentioned much as a cool character but I thought he was. Even the wisest of people have weaknesses and Darkness within and can fall, but he did work at redeeming himself too and ended up helping the others to stop Xemnas, and restore Riku back to himself.

 

Ansem isn't that strong. True, he resisted the darkness, but revenge, another form of darkness, kept him going. He may have walked in the realm of light, but several people suffered while he walked his path, our heroes and heroines included.

 

Ansem has a strong heart, but I think Sora has the strongest heart in the kingdom Hearts searius so far. Sora didn'tcave into the darkness when he became a heartless, and even found a way back. If you think about it Sora never realy is close to darkness because of the choices he makes. He dosn't hold grujes, he is always making friends, he always has a happey outlook on life, and he always beleaves in his friends.

 

Yeah, I agree, Sora has the strongest heart, in my opinion. Like Dinesty said, he's had several chances to be swallowed into the darkness, but every time, he chooses light instead of darkness. Ansem was really strong, but, yeah, it was all for revenge. Even though it was for revenge on an evil organization, revenge is still an evil thing. Sora is always fighting, because he wants to help his friends and that's all that's important to him.

 

Yes, Ansem is tough, and basically everything Repliku had said. XD The fact that he tried to make up for his wrongs makes him quite honorable, despite anything he did out of vengence. Although, as Dinesty said, I do believe Sora has the strongest heart out of everyone else in KH...maybe except for Kairi, since she is the Princess of Light...but as Dinesty said, Sora never succumbed to the darkness, always finding the path of light. However, it's still quite clear that Ansem has a strong heart, but the most enduring one is Sora...while the purest, would be Kairi's. lol

 

Meh, where DiZ is concerned, I am impartial.

Okay, to be honest, I hate his guts.

He started experimenting with Heartless and unleashed a plague of darkness. He took in Xehanort.

I might like him for his determination, if not for the fact that he was so cold to Roxas. Revenge on Xemnas is understandable, but attacking Roxas, and the other Non apprenticed Orgy members is wrong. A form of genocide even.

"Oh, a Austrailian hit me, time to go on a killing spree!"

How stupid. Really, I just hate his personality. He seems like he would be the type to kill Repliku (another character I like) if he had the chance.

 

Heh,well,i wouldn't say he's tough.If he REALLY had a strong heart as you say,he wouldn't go out seeking for revenge.

 

yeah i wouldn't say he's atough - id say he had a strong heat - and a strange accent

 

Heh...Exactly! ^_^

 

I say Riku had the strongest heart, because he was tempted, surrounded by, in command of, and then controlled by darkness, but his heart stayed pure. He never became a heartless through the whole thing, was able to navigate his spirit through the realm of darkness back into the in-between-realm, and even used the power of darkness again to help Sora, but never completely fell.

Ansem the Wise wasn't anywhere as closely involved with darkness as Riku was.

Xehanort/Ansem Seeker of Darkness had probably the second strongest, because after he gave up his body to use the darkness, not only did his Nobody retain its physical form, but so did his heartless. And both were immensly powerful.

 

Yes. Completely and totally agreed. This is so true.


Out of all the characters, I dislike Ansem the wise the most. As much as I hate to admit it, I guess he did have a few... admirable qualities, like not falling to darkness, and I guess he did have a strong heart...
But while trying to take revenge against Xehanort, he sunk to the same level. I'd like to point out that his whole plan was to use Sora, Riku, and Namine to take his revenge for him. He took advantage of Namine putting Sora's memories back together and when she was no longer useful, he told Riku to get rid of her. Namine was Kairi's Nobody too, and he knew it, he could have just told Riku to let them meet and that would make Kairi whole and Namine would be out of the way. (Namine wanted to meet Kairi too. Said so in the novel.) Two birds in one stone.
No, she was a Nobody, so she should be killed, forget Kairi. o_0 What?!
He was also cruel to Roxas for no reason. What did Roxas ever do to him? He knew Roxas was gonna have to give himself up to Sora, and Ansem made what were basically his last moments miserable, refusing to tell him anything and ticking him off on purpose.

And he still acts so pompous and smug, like everything he does so saint-like. I hate his personality, a few good things about him doesn't fix that. Besides, Riku was more immersed in darkness than Ansem was. And Riku wasn't bent on getting revenge. Riku had the strongest heart, in my opinion, for reasons already mentioned.


Sorry if anyone likes him, I didn't mean to insult you. (Just Ansem.) Yeah, Ansem had a few good qualities and he was strong. But there were others who were stronger and Ansem was... Just not good. I really didn't like him.

...I was so happy when Ansem died....

 

Yay, someone else who is not so fond of DiZ.

Hmm. Unlike the rest of the post's population, I do not hate his lust for revenge, only the uncaring nature he has for those caught in the crossfire.

 

Same. I didn't mean to make it about his wanting revenge, because that doesn't really matter much to me; it was that in the process, he managed to hurt almost all the main characters in one way or another and he still acted all high and mighty. That annoyed me.

 

Not just that, but the actual game's stance towards him, attempting to make out he was the good guy all along.

He seems like he would destroy anything if it would help his cause.

 

Hmm, i dislike ansem too. I dont think he was a good guy, more like someone who put revenge above all else. Strong heart he might have had, going up against the organization and such, but strong heart dosent equal good guy.
I really hated him for what he did in the end (blowing up xemnas's kingdom hearts). I mean, what good did that do, exept creating an army of heartless? it didnt undo anything the organization had done, and ruined the only hope for the nobodies... while i can see the point that xemnas/xehanort is dangerous, the other nobodies, propably several thousands, would propably become normal people after being restored, so in fact in that moment he might have killed hundreds.

As for "who had the strongest heart?" i would go with riku or xehanort. To be sure which of the two is stronger i think we dont know enough about their exact fights and about xehanorts orgins (ansems reports said that he might have superhuman abilities)

 

I'd also say Riku had the strongest heart. His heart has lasted through so much without giving in. Ansem the Wise had a pretty strong heart, but his heart was tempted by personal gain and led him into horrible experiments that caused a lot of trouble. He was also slightly foolish. Kairi's hear was pretty strong, considering the fact that it can't be tempted by darkness becuase it is pure. But that's obviously becuase she is a princess of heart.
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Ansem the Wise is okay I guess but I wouldn't call him tough. The way I see it he was actually extremely prone to caving into his emotions, especially when beginning and putting an end to his research.

 

Ansem the Wise never experimented on "Heartless". He was studying the Heart of people to study the components of it and emotion and also Even was very interested in the subject he chose to do so, which was Xehanort. Ansem did this to research the Heart but also because he wanted to help restore Xehanort's lost memories and thought they might be lurking within his Heart somewhere. He never knew of the Heartless.

That was all Xehanort's doing. He lured the Heartless there and experimented, found the door, opened it, sent Kairi out to find the Keyblade wielder after listening to Ansem and Mickey talk, etc. He's also the one who made the machine to make synthetic Heartless which he had them all identified with his Heartless symbol trademark, and these became Emblem Heartless.

Yes, Ansem became closed minded and prejudiced against Nobodies because he was seriously betrayed by all of the top ones. He was not what I'd say is a super strong mental person but I give him the credit due that he survived wandering Darkness for 9 years after he had to leave his home that was destroyed by Xehanort and his unleashing droves of Heartless, and also Maleficent showed up after Xehanort left. I do agree where people say above that Riku had the stronger heart out of the two, because even while totally emersed and even at one point, fighting for his body or booted out of it, he still fought on, and even though he messed up, it was his natural 'small' flaws as a person that were used against him to do so. He had living antagonists that were pushing him over the edge using these flaws and he was just a 15 year old that was very confused and wanted his friends back. The Riku in CoM and KH2 greatly matured and did things to set things right.

Ansem/DiZ did use people such as Riku, which is why Riku took off, because he'd obviously never want to be used for 'Dark' purposes again, to include revenge. However, it was Riku's obstinacy and strong will in refusing to harm Namine, his talking to Axel and Namine, and his devotion to Sora to help him, while having compassion for Roxas too that probably hit DiZ the most. He even kept objects that DiZ was insistent Riku should destroy so that Sora and Roxas would be alright. However, I point out that while DiZ was doing these things, in the end he did turn things around.

DiZ/Ansem knew that as things were, he probably had sought vengeance for so long that it had corrupted his mind. Doing what he did to Kingdom Hearts was a good thing. Sure, it made more 'Heartless' but at the same time it was reverting them back to being Heartless and if killed again, they would go on to the "Real" Kingdom Hearts instead of the pseudo one that Xemnas had crafted for his purposes. The Hearts of many people would go on to where they should be and thus be back in the cycle of things. So, I really can't agree with people who say he did a wrong deed there. In the end, it is probably what made things better. He also sacrificed himself to do it and cancel the Org's plans. He was a man that had a broken Heart himself from what happened and though for much of CoM and KH2 he was a jaded, cynical man, in the end he showed his true feelings of remorse and sorrow that things had turned out so bad and that he had fallen so hard. He did what was rational there instead of letting himself fall deeper in the pits of Darkness. I would not say he's as strong as Riku, who miraculously turned his situation around but he did save Sora and he did help Riku to fight Xehanort's Heartless, and he did free the Hearts that were imprisoned in the fake Kingdom Hearts, giving his life. This act also freed Riku of his imprisonment to the form he was in. He was a great man at one time, leading his world, fell hard, and in the end made up for as much as he could. It doesn't make him the best of men, but he doesn't earn my animosity either. I felt sorry for the guy because even though he should have perhaps had more insight, hind sight is 20/20 and he lost everything including his own name and identity to a student he only sought to help.