Amy Whinehouse is dead.

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  1. Ienzo ((̲̅ ̲̅(̲̅C̲̅r̲̅a̲̅y̲̅o̲̅l̲̲̅̅a̲̅( ̲̅̅((>

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    People who go into drugs and what happened to her usually have a lot of psychological problems that probably weren't her fault. That means she needs to find comfort in something, which she probably attempting to find in drungs and drink. People are moaning and saying that she shouldn't have spent money helping herself, but it is extremely difficult to help others when you can't even help yourself especially if you are psychologically messed up. Turning your back on someone like that and saying, you deserve your fate is harsh and in the normal circumstances we would help that person. Like many years ago they used to sentence mad people to exile or death, but now we know that that doesn't help at all.

    Her death is a tragedy, it shouldn't be compared to the horrors in Norway, it's not like the news have completely ignored Norway, both are horribly tragic and they were both unrelated. It is the same when any famous person dies though, there is a huge story about it in the news as it's what people want to know, but that is also the case for the Norway incident.

    But anyway, this thread isn't about Norway, all I'm saying is we shouldn't judge her so harshly. It's the same principle with someone like a bully, we judge and despise them but really inside they need to feel big in order to feel good about themselves, it's always the case- behind every person is horrible problems they've faced and we cannot overlook them.
     
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    I'm sorry Ienzo, while i respect what you're saying, you are too naive. You talk about her problems as if no one understands them or knows about them when in fact all of us understand her problems, especially broken people of this forum.

    What i'm trying to show you is that it pointless blaming a general issue such as drug addiction on a very specific individual. Because of the way people like you think, it allows people to believe its acceptable i.e. Amy Winehouse.
    She drew attention on herself because she believed that she was deprived of things that others had and felt that she deserved pity to the extent that she fed on it like an emotional vampire, or as the psychological term is, a sadist, this branched to narcissism. She intentionally did all of these things to gain the attention of others and gain their sympathies. She was narcissistic enough to believe that she deserved all this attention and she never grew to appreciate and chose to continue. she had no care for those closest to her, and continued to do drugs regardless.

    What defines us is our decisions and her decisions defined her as a Narcissistic Sadist Sociopath. You know exactly what i mean because your decisions have brought you to the point that you are at right now haven't they? same with me, and same with whoever else is reading this comment. I have had many chances to be similar to that but i chose not to, that is the reason i can make the decision to make a comment like this.

    A person like that doesn't deserve respect in death Ienzo, and the fact that so many people resonate with her(alot of people i know seem to along with others around the world) is frankly sickening.
     
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    I see where you are coming from but I live my life attempting to empathise with those who suffer- I cannot know exactly what they feel but I try. You're right, I haven't experienced what she has been through and I hope I never do but that isn't the point. There is a reason behind everything we do, if she was attempting to be narcissitic and gaining the attention from others then there is obviously an issue there where she feels the need to be loved and the only way she feels that that is possible is to gain the attention of the media so therefore the world. It may appear that she just wanted pity, which she probably did want and fair enough I understand you on that point, however there was a much deeper reason behind that. I can tell you that if someone in a school was being loud and offensive it is because they want to be heard, for attention, they may want pity but that is just a form of affection that they want.

    She may have milked the media for all she could but I still think there was a reason behind it, a need for something she never got which fuelled her actions to do what she wanted. We have no right to judge her as a person when we ourselves make bad decisions, I'm not saying something like taking drugs but maybe something just minor- it is still the same principle. We all make the wrong decision at times and that shapes us, as you said, in some cases it's more severe- like the choice to try drugs or to steal something. The bigger the choice the more it shapes us, granted, but if one of your friends came up to you saying they'd made a bad decision- would you turn on them and say "you deserve whatever comes your way!" or do you help them?

    I do understand what you are saying and I respect that but I just don't agree. When someone dies, people like to focus on the negatives as well, like when Michael Jackson died, so many began retelling the stories of the bad things he did, but we all make mistakes and some stay with us. She also did a lot of good with giving us her music that so many adored.
     
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    You know what I really dislike about your posts in this thread? It's not the way you're disrespecting her, I can almost understand that.
    It's the way you're giving out a nearly complete psychological profile on her as if you were her personal psychiatrist or something.
    What we see of celebrities in the media is maybe a small side of who they really are, and quite often even this side is a carefully manufactured 'personality' created by a PR-person, agents, managers, the celebrities themselves.
    To even try to think that we actually know the person, know the issues they're going through is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Even more so when someone tries to delve into the celebrities psyche.
     
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    Unfortunately, not everyone can deal with certain things in life. That's no reason to feel that it's sickening. This isn't survival of the fittest.

    As for everything else, I agree with Nashida. It is a tragedy. She was really talented, but her addiction got the best of her. And that is tragic. It goes to show that even with Fame and money you can still succumb to sad things.
     
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    I didn't state that i "know" her, i merely gave my evaluation of her from what i see of her and the people fawning over her death, i also never claimed to have any more experience than anyone else of the subject of profiling and such. To know someone and to be able to do an evaluation of them are different things. I can evaluated everyone and everything and make an opinion on that, but that doesn't mean i know her. One point i would also like to make is that if she had someone like PR manager or any decent agent her image wouldn't allow people to so easily make comments like mine or make jokes about her death. If she had someone working PR she might've been able to stay away from the drugs and she mightn't even be dead now.

    Chevalier, i'm sickened from the stand point that because people use broad terms that allow for no accountability, things like this happen and its considered to be the fault of said broad terms i.e. drugs. Zero accountability means that things will always remain the way they are.
     
  7. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    A greater tragedy would be a person who died from drug overdose who was poor, socially confined and not cared about. Winehouse had greater opportunity and resources to most regular drug addicts. Does her 'stardom' mean it's more of a tragedy then the regular people who die all the time?

    I can't feel for her. She had more opportunity then some, but in the end had less of a life. It may seem harsh, but she was weak willed, yet sympathy for her is great. Why?
     
  8. Chevalier Crystal Princess

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    No. And it really isn't her fault that her death got so much coverage. Celebrities don't choose that. Regardless of which way you look at it from, the fact that a life was lost that way, is not a good thing.

    I could have the doors to heaven open to me for salvation, and if I rejected it somehow, it'd still be tragic; regardless of it being my decision. She misused what she gained because of whatever sad reason, and even had so many chances, but felt so clouded and lost, that instead went on until she destroyed herself.

    @Daxma: That makes sense. I still stand that it is tragic regardless of the fact that it was her decision. Half of the time you don't realize you're falling into these things , and then you're too cripple to even try and get help.
     
  9. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    It is not tragic to choose your life. It is beautiful to have a choice where other may not have such liberty. But we must understand that in that choice comes consequences, and further choices to be made. Sometimes we feel that we are restricted to the choices we have, when in truth we merely need to fight for our choice and harden ourselves against the problems that may appear. It is how people grow.
    I don't think anyone can justify her choice. So what if she had a sad life, many others deal with such things day after day, and some deal with much greater problems then an addiction problem, but come out stronger from such things. She made her choice, and obviously it didn't work out for the better for her.
     
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    Oh, not at all. What's tragic is choosing things that lead to a death that could have been avoided. Which is the point I was trying to make.

    Just to clarify, no one here is justifying her choice to die. Feeling sympathy and justifying reckless actions are two different things. But patronizing the dead seems kind of moot, it's not like they can hear it anyhow.

    And on this point, not everyone grows in the same way, comparing sufferings is also somewhat moot, because maybe a certain problem doesn't hurt me as much, but another does. And vice-versa with another person.

    Amy Winehouse had such a unique voice. It really was like a breath of fresh air. It wasn't the most developed voice, but it was so peculiar and interesting. It's a shame she threw her chances away like that.
     
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    This is interesting, I am hoping it's true as it shows us that she was trying to give up and it's just horribly ironic (as it states in the article). I think if this is the case then she knew what she was donig was bad and she attempted to turn her life around meaning she is deservant of respect. Only time will tell, people assumes it was a drug overdose or suicide but I'm now thinking it's not the case.
     
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    It's well known she was a drug user, I believe. As for the alcohol killing a person, I think it depends on how bad the withdrawal is, the side effects that can happen etc.
     
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    To quote the article

    I assume because the body and mind are so used to having a specific substance regularly that when it's cut off, body and mind acts out like the Drake and Josh episode with the bet

    She tried quitting cold turkey which is what most likely got her.