Ah, those lovely gas prices.

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  1. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    My dad has informed me that prices in the UK are in excess of £5 per gallon, making our prices over $10 per gallon T_T

    Hydrogen fuel cells do not produce ozone, all they produce is energy and water. Ozone is mainly produced when high electric currents are passed through the air. This causes O2 (oxygen) to break down and reform as O3 (ozone).

    Car pooling and public transport are the only real options at the moment. At least until the big corporations wise up and realise that people aren't buying their highly fuel inefficient cars anymore because they can't afford to run them. Then the funding for alternate fuel sources might get a boost.
     
  2. JorrellVsRoxas Traverse Town Homebody

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    Dude, chillax. I'm just suggesting ways people get around. because most people cant afford buying a car just because gas prices are up... Oh, and carpooling is a legit way to get around, alot of people Carpool, to save gas and money.
     
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    1. There's solar power and Solar panels. their not very expensive either.

    2. I think that the ozone will float high enough. I mean it will make it's way up there. It sounds dumb but I think it will when it's burned.

    3. You can make hydrogen out of water. Salt speeds up the process of electrolysis so salt water (which we have plenty of) will be a huge help.



    Yes. I was talking it over with some people and they said the hydrogen needs to be compressed so it can be put into cars.

    When you use electrolysis you separate oxygen from hydrogen.
     
  4. Jiku Neon Kingdom Keeper

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    Solar panels are still expensive for individuals expensive, to break even on them you have to keep them for about as long as they'll last.

    O3 won't float there on it's own, it's more complex than that.

    They generally do it with salt anyways, it still uses the energy and causes the pollution of the cars they're replacing just somewhere else.
     
  5. JorrellVsRoxas Traverse Town Homebody

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    Hell yeah solar panels are expensive.... and you need alot of them if you're gunna power a car...

    but they do pay for them selves if its on your house
     
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    i did research on this. ALOT of people say that it's cheaper to stop using gasoline and to invest in alternative energy sources. but this part makes me think those sites are Liberals, they accused the government of conspiring with gas companies to not make alternate energy. if it were true, it would certainly explain why creating alternate energies isn't happening fast enough. but then again, i really don't know.
     
  7. Jiku Neon Kingdom Keeper

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    To a point it's true that the government and the oil companies are both attempting to stop alternative fuels because it isn't really in their interest to do anything about it. The electric car was killed thus and the hydrogen fuel cell has been in it's last ten years of R&D for near thirty odd years. However, I can't really say that these things solve a thing, the fuel cell like the electric car can't get energy from nowhere the fuel needs to be obtained somehow and the methods as of yet all involve the use of coal, oil, or some other form of fuel to create the energy. So things as they are won't be fixed so easily as that, the best way to do this is to simply conserve the petroleum that remains until a better replacement can not only be finished but put to infrastructure as well.
     
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    When I get out of school and get a job that requires traveling, I'm seriously gonna think about if I should get a bike or not.
    It's another thing young adults are gonna have to worry about when they start out on their own.
     
  9. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    Well gas prices are dropping in my area (went from about $4.50 in early summer to $3.99 now). The government should start offshore and domestic drilling. Just seems logical to me.
     
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    Looking for alternative means also seems logical but it's been stalled for decades. I understand the desire to drill offshore in spite of it's negative consequences because nobody like a coral hugger, they're worse than those damned tree huggers. However, in the end it seems like a bad idea in the long run. The way I see it the people will begin to feel like oil is plentiful and limitless again and get back on their asses and slow work on a permanent or at the very least longer termed solution. So, it's not the worst thing that can be done but it sure as hell isn't the best thing.
     
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    The problem with offshore drilling is this...by the time they build special stations for it...because -every- single oil rig and platform must be unique to the area it is in, it will be 10 years from now till we actually see any benefit. Why should we continue to vest things in oil when it takes so long to see any merits when by the time we explore other resources we could have the same success and yet not be dependent on oil companies anymore for every little thing? People seem to think offshore drilling is going to be an immediate solution but sadly it will not so it gets brought up all the time. Oil corps are some of our biggest lobbyists and they are deceiving everyone when they say it's an immediate cure.

    In the end, I think offshore drilling should be considered though -much- less than what the oil corps want. I believe instead we should be researching other ways which are already in progress because oil as it is will not last forever and offshore drilling won't mean squat when oil reserves are wiped out. Oil companies are totally willing to let us be dependent and get into circumstances like the very one we are in. Future generations won't have that oil around forever, even if offshore drilling eases some of the pain for a while. We don't really have to run a resource straight into the ground, or out of it in this case, just because some fat pigs want our money. I really don't want to know we could have saved our future generations and instead played around just to keep something we have all been nurtured on because it's convenient and we are lazy. Too much of this mistake has been done in the past by our former generations.
     
  12. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    Well right now most alternative fuel sources haven't come along far enough in development to be very useful yet. We should use our supply of oil for now, and continue to use it until these alternative fuel sources are researched and tested enough to be practical in use.
     
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    Exactly. If we keep drilling for oil in other areas, instead of looking for other ways, it'll create a bigger problem in the long run.

    Also, hate to be a "coral hugger" but the environmental damage that would be caused by offshore drilling just isn't worth it. Corals are already an endangered species, and Global Warming has already caused a noteworthy amount of corals on the Great Barrier Reef to bleach out.
     
  14. Jiku Neon Kingdom Keeper

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    They actually have working forms of these alternative fuels for the record and have had them in their final steps for more than ten years. I read nearly eight years ago the same thing I'm saying now; on the hydrogen front, the fuel cell is done and is in the field testing stage and has proven it can be used as well as any petrol or diesel car. The main stall is no one who can do a thing about it wants to put in new infrastructure. So even if the cars and vehicles themselves work it's not gonna work if you have no way to fuel up.

    Also, Repliku made a better point than I did, ten years down the road is when we'll be seeing the oil from offshore drilling if we started yesterday, so there is no point to it when there are more easily accessible fields to drill and a variety of alternatives just waiting to be put into action.
     
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    Gas is really a big dent to money. Many habitats are being destroyed by drilling. This may as well turn this planet green by overpollution. I think the gov. should think smarter, not simple answers to cover it up.
     
  16. MasterNightmare Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Yes, those ADORABLE gas prizes.... a good reason to Bike or walk to work or school if it's not very far away... i really think that while new fuel source is being developed, Fuel should be taken out from the U.S. so it we can be more self sufficient. it sucks that we pay a few million (maybe billion) to people who are hardly known... some Sheiks and governments... and it's just that pointless to do that in my opinion.
     
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    Go with the flow. Eventually a new resource will have to be harvested. The petrol prices will push the nations into action. Eventually it will become too expensive, and the market will crash due to lack of customers. No one can affort to pay $10 a litre.
     
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    It doesn't look like it will be getting better any time soon with the price for a barrel oil jumping by three US dollars yesterday.
     
  19. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    That was only because of the U.S. planning to bail out those companies and the the global economy dipped. The prices were actually on a gradual drop up until then.
     
  20. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    A lot of the price of oil is down to speculation, gone are the days when it was pure demand and supply.

    The cheapest I've seen is £1.06 per litre at the Asda near my school. I can remember when it was around £0.70 / £0.80 ._.
     
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