358/2 Days About Roxas having a heart...

If I remember correctly, he was refering to Sora's heart.

It has been a while since I have seen that scene though.

Also, Roxas Hater, it is true Roxas hurt Riku, but if you remember, it was Riku who opened the door to darkness, causing Kairi to loose her heart, meaning Sora had to release his, creating Roxas. Also considering Riku hunted Roxas, I think it is fair to say that Riku caused any damage done to himself.

 

He was talking about Roxas.

It could be Sora's hearts. Since they share the same existence, they probably share the same heart.

 

Was he? I thought he was talking about Sora, in turn affecting Roxas.

 

That was right after Roxas talked with Kairi. Sora was a third member of the conversation.

In Kingdom Hearts, all hearts are connected, not all souls. Roxas could'nt connect with Kairi if he didnt have a heart.

Otherwise it would have just been Sora and Kairi connecting.

 

No, Roxas has a connection with Sora's heart, as he is Sora's Nobdy. A Fair enough assumtion.

 

hmmmm

i dont think this is possible but great theory though. i think its more like how when sora became a heartless and was brought back he still seemed pretty whole to me, i think thats because he had such a strong heart and in turn mustv had a strong body and soul. and when a nobody is created and the person had a very strong heart the nobody is more human like. because sora had the strongest heart of anyone when roxas was created he still sorta had emotions and heart. almost like he was so strong that roxas still had some heart and sora still had body and soul. they sorta mirror each other in their stories, like how sora lost his body and soul when he became a heartless he got it back but roxas still existed, meaning that roxas couldv in turn gotten heart. i hope this made sense coz i really couldnt be bothered wording it better lol.

i dont think this is possible but great theory though. i think its more like how when sora became a heartless and was brought back he still seemed pretty whole to me, i think thats because he had such a strong heart and in turn mustv had a strong body and soul. and when a nobody is created and the person had a very strong heart the nobody is more human like. because sora had the strongest heart of anyone when roxas was created he still sorta had emotions and heart. almost like he was so strong that roxas still had some heart and sora still had body and soul. they sorta mirror each other in their stories. i hope this made sense coz i really couldnt be bothered wording it better lol.

 

Hmm. A good theory, I can see that happening.

 

mph.ROXAS have a heart......TRAITOR....he killed us ........

 

Uh, that was Riku Replica. to be fair, you did erase his memories and manipulate him.

 

...allies would'nt try to kill each other. Maybe they are all working seperatly, and just share the name. And if Roxas has a heart, maybe he won't hate Sora's guts. This could be intriguing.....
Heh heh, poor Zexie. He was asking for it. Don't mess with the Keyblade masters if you value your hides!!

 

No the full quote was "His heart has come in contact with Kairi, which in turn affected Sora."

"He" reffering to Roxas. Roxas does have a heart.

We can take this for cannon as DiZ is very selective in everything he sais. If he want sure he would say "It could be" or "Perhaps" before he said something.

This battle is over.



Its not a question of "IF" but of how. There are the two theories which I outlined earlier.

Theres the "He really is Ven" theory, then there is the "Borrowed from Sora" theory.

Either way, he does have a heart.

 

You are entitled to shun me for what I am about to say, but I think that in that case, it was a typo. DiZ has constantly said "He has no heart" "Nobodies have no hearts" "It is all show, Nobodies do not feel emotion"

I think if he were to change his mind, the storyline would make a bigger deal out of it.

I am sure that the translators meant "Sora's heart came into contact with Kairi, in turn affecting Roxas. An easy mistake to make.

Also, if you bring that point up in a debate, I can say that for every one mention to Roxas's heart by DiZ, I can get thousands more quote that deny it.

Sorry, but I cannot accept that one line as proof. Especially afterwards DiZ appears in front of Roxas and tells him he lacks a heart.

 

I believe that Roxas had no memories because Sora was only a Heartless for such a short period of time that even though he felt his memories slipping from him, Kairi restored him and all was dandy.

Roxas to me seems to be a -part- of Ven. I am sure we will learn more in BBS about him. I do not think he is a complete Ven considering...how would all of him merge with Sora? However, I do think when Roxas was formed he did have a part of his Heart and well, he obviously had no body, so he fit into the motif enough to be a Nobody. Another point to mention is that he couldn't wield a Keyblade without a Heart. He had to have -something- there to do so. I do not feel he had the whole Heart, but I do think there was something there and it may be even because Sora had the Keyblade, that Roxas ended up with it as well and maintained some thread to Sora's Heart or Ven's which came from within Sora. Also, the two Keyblades he gets shows he has ties to Riku and Kairi which are Sora's friends and thus Roxas's as well. The Keyblade really may have been instrumental in allowing Roxas to have any vestige of a Heart at all.

Another thing to notice about Roxas is that he seemed to express emotions which were not overreactions like the other Nobodies, to include Axel, which well, looked fake and overdone. Roxas's emotions were genuine, even if they were mostly pertaining to being depressed or angry and rebellious. He also showed some genuine feeling there.

I really don't see that the Nobodies gained anything and others did have memories. Axel is the only one who seemed to be drawn 'empathically' to others and to use his ability of feeling other people's emotions to not seek to harm them. I think he felt in Roxas emotions and it reminded him of when he had them and even though his Heart was weak or fragmented, it was enough for Axel to pick up on. Axel even cried a tear which was enough to show he could feel that empathy from Roxas and remember how it felt to be sad and so it fell. I don't think Axel was 'getting a Heart' necessarily, but he did what other Org members should have tried to emulate and it might have saved some of them. He found a way to at least have a 'pseudo' heart by being friends with someone who had one at all.

So that's my take on it really. I don't see the emotions being triggered by memories in Roxas as much as I think he always had a portion of his Heart there and ties to the bonds that Sora had with Riku and Kairi too. He was still linked with Sora whether or not he wanted and in fact he set out to find out more about the Keyblade and why he had it. He knew something was tremendously amiss. The other Nobodies did have their memories of their past lives at least in part so the theory you have kind of gets shot down on that fact.

 

In the Secret Ansem reports, DiZ said he didnt understand what Roxas was, but he knew he wasnt a normal Nobody.

He may have known Roxas had a heart.

DiZ knew telling Roxas he didnt have a heart would get him mad, and unleash his emotions forcing him to get closer to Sora. Which is EXACTLY what happened.

DiZ even said, "You should share some of that anger with Sora." This shows that DiZ knew Roxas had emotions.

DiZ knew there was something special about Roxas, but didnt know exactly what he had.

The reason the game didnt make a big deal of "ROXAS HAS A HEART EVERYONE!" is that they didnt want to spoil BbS and 358/2 days. Nomura was questioned on Roxas having a heart or not, and said that it will be discussed in later games.

Also, Repliku outlined more evidence Roxas has a heart.

 

I really like that theory about Axel. I can see what you mean about the others still having their memories but not getting hearts, but maybe they weren't so friendship-oriented as Sora's were? I don't know, there really isn't any way for me to know for sure anyway, not 'till the game comes out.

I've also been thinking about the likelihood of all the Roxas-Ven theories. Maybe Ven's heart or soul did go into Sora's body, and when Sora lost his heart, Roxas was sort of a half-Ven, half-Sora. Not really quite sure how to go about elaborating on it, but...does that make any sense?

 

I think he has some form of a heart. DiZ mentions once that "His [Sora's] heart is returning," implying that Roxas IS, in some way, in possession of Sora's heart. DiZ mentions the connection between Kairi and Roxas, and it's shown. The Reports say that Roxas is a 'different' kind of Nobody. And in the World That Never Was, DiZ says, "And Roxas, I doubt you can hear me, but I am sorry."
If Roxas didn't have a heart, DiZ wouldn't have made the effort to apologize. :P

 

Those are really good points.

 

o_o I don't want to hear it lol. And that part of kingdom hearts dosn't make sense to me, okay I get that Riku obviously opened the door in the secret place on destiny islands in kh1, but why would Kairi be there anyway? Also in the secret ending of kh1, Riku was chilling out on the top of the memory skyscrapper and Roxas said, "Where is Sora?" Or something like that, then Roxas was ambushed by heartless, and then he ran up the the tower to try to get Riku, umm, who caused Roxas to get his ass kicked then? If Roxas wasn't trying to get Riku, then he wouldn't get his butt kicked (referring to Roxas) then tell me this, don't you kinda think that Riku was trying to correct himself in chain of memories and kh2? Like he wanted Roxas to wake up Sora, or something like that, he turned good, he helped Sora defeat organaztion XIII, so really Riku was trying to correct himself. Then really when Riku opened the secret place door, Kairi losing her heart was like a sideeffect, not really what Riku did. Then in kingdom hearts I he tryed to save Kairi, so he is good, he just is misleaded sometimes.

 

Okay. I can't really understand what you're saying. But I'll try to clarify as best I can...

Riku WAS trying to redeem himself for his past actions. He knew he'd done wrong by using the power of darkness, and he fully realized that he'd harmed his friends by doing so. He joined DiZ in order to wake up Sora and take out the Organization, so that they could return to the Islands. DiZ was in it for revenge on his old apprentices, who became Nobodies and were the founders of Organization 13. Riku was ordered to confront Roxas and take him to DiZ, and he lost the first battle between them. Roxas, in addition, was questioning his lack of memory and wanted to find Sora himself.

At some point in time, Roxas left the Organization and Riku went after him for a second time. Riku managed to defeat Roxas with the power of darkness (this is why he takes on the form of Xehanort's Heartless). Riku later admitted that he felt sorry for Roxas because of his fate to reside in darkness, but he's still determined to repair his past wrongs.

So yes. You're right when you say Riku was actually good. But neither Roxas or Riku were attacking each other in a personal way. Riku wanted to wake up Sora and was willing to do whatever it took, and Roxas was defending himself, trying to find answers, and quite possibly following Xemnas' orders besides. :P So it's not really fair to blame either of them.

Anyway...

 

Ooh, there's a revelation that'd be neat to the series.