Abortion!

::shrugs:: Okay. Sorry I don't have much knowledge on pregnancy tests. But its just my opinion.

 

@Jap Roxas: What are you talking about? Life begins when a beating heart is picked up during an altrasound(sp?). But you're right, I consider it to be murder where as you may not. It all comes down to what you believe in.

 

While a little off-topic, I do agree with what you're saying. There is too much funding in my opinion given to abstinence programs. I think there should be more funding in Pregnancy Prevention programs, because I think it's an idealist belief to think you can stop human beings from having intercourse, married or unmarried; it's just how our society's become.

If more emphasis was directed at contraceptives, I think the money would be much better spent.

EDIT:

I don't condone an abortion if it's developed enough to have an ultrasound. In fact, many abortion clinics don't perform abortions when a baby is that far along its development.

I distinctively said '2 weeks' as a fairground. You cannot perform an ultrasound that early, however you can confirm pregnancy as early as that.

 

Yes, scientifically and in technicalities that is when life begins, however, if one is referring to a 'lived life' it becomes a whole situation. In the womb, a fetus is basically a vegetable. It can't do anything for itself and is currently leading no 'purposeful' life. Again predestination, opinion, etc.

Also, I believe it's ultrasound. I think...to lazy to google.

 

Alright, last post here then I'm done argueing. Regardless if it's technically alive or not, life is going to be developed. I still consider it murder, which would bring this topic to a religious based issue and the reason I no longer wish to post here.

 

Oh Gawd...abortion. I believe that it should ONLY be allowed from two things. The first: Rape. If the girl was raped, I can understand her wanting it gone...especially if she's enguaged/married. The second: If she or the baby will die. If something's wrong, and trying to give birth will kill the mother/child, then I can understand that, too. Otherwise, it is NOT excusable.

 

I am just going to put my thought in, really I do not like the idea of abortion, the thought of killing another person, dependent or not is just does not sit with me. But I am very in tune with the idea of freewill, and to limit what a person can do with their own body also doesn't work for me, so I am torn personally. I believe in letting it go, a womens choice is a womens choice, but more along the lines of it should be used exclusively for rape and such.

 

I think abortion no matter what the circumstance is insanely wrong. It's quite frankly, murder. Everyone, and I mean everyone, should have a chance at this life.

 

I don't think abortion should be done at all. I can under stand if the woman was raped sort of, but even if the woman was raped, it's not the child's fault. And there have been many rape victims over the centuries who've either raised their child or given it up. If there a chance the parent and/or child might die, then they shouldn't have gotten pregnant at all or take the risks and deliver the child. From the moment of conception a new life is made, and it is constantly changing and developing. It's basically the same if you delivered the child and then smothered it with a pillow or drowned it. You're killing an innocent baby either way. the child is innocent of any circumstances surrounding it's conception and creation. Abortion is wrong and I'm against either way.
Oh and if you don't want to be pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX AT ALL OR USE CONDOMS OR CONTRACEPTIVES!!! THEY WERE CREATED FOR A REASON!!!

 

That's a little unfair; for the most part, you can't predict these complications. Many couples who *want* to have children sometimes get unlucky and get into life/death situations like these.

Not exactly. Babies are no different than a cell of bone marrow during early parts of the pregnancy; they don't have a state of consciousness nor do they have eyes, a hearts, etc.

Also, in life and death situations, where either the mother or the child will die. The mother has every right to make a decision for herself. I see nothing wrong with the mother choosing life--in the hopes of wanting to try again for another baby in the future. An embyro--one that doesn't know what life is, or hasn't experienced anything to miss--is not more important than anyone else's life, if you even consider a bone marrow cell life to begin with.

 

The heart is one of the last organs to start forming.


"USE CONDOMS OR CONTRACEPTIVES!!! THEY WERE CREATED FOR A REASON!!!"
They dont always work, and then you can get unwanted pregancies where people resort to abortion.

"If there a chance the parent and/or child might die, then they shouldn't have gotten pregnant at all "
You dont always know that in advance.

I see abortion fit in THREE special cases only:
Rape
Incest [severe birth defects might result]
If the mothers life will be endangered if she has the baby [meaning they might both die]

Yes there is adoption for those who cannot afford it, so really I feel that there are options and money is not an excuse.
I find it very interesting [and relieving] that most of the responses are pro life, except in rape cases. The womans life has already been changed so drastically, why put her through even more?
However, unfortunatly in the political world, youre either pro life or pro choice. I havent really seen many politicians that are on the fence. They either condone it or encourage it. I guess they dont want to seem indecisive & whatnot but its frustrating. I prefer the democratic mentality and theyre pro choice, but I really am not. I only think its okay in certain situations. But Im also VERY vehemently opposed to it being made illegal in the constitution. So its a very tricky issue

Im not pro abortion, but im not pro choice either. Abortion should NEVER be used as a form of birth control IMHO. The queston is, when does life start? In Roe vs Wade, the Supreme Court divided pregnancy up into trimesters: during the 1st abortion cannot be questioned by the state; its the womans choice. During the second trimester, the state MAY contest abortion. During the third trimester, the woman cannot get an abortion. So, it all comes back to when people consider a fetus alive. This is obviously influenced by many things: religion, environment, personal opininon etc...People who have sex really need to think about the consequences and be properly educated.

 

Careful. It depends on the degree. Sibling incest has a chance of producing children with defects, however pregnancies that result from intercourse between cousins poses an equal chance of defect as unrelated people. It's a myth that people decided for themselves was true.

This is why marriages between cousins is acceptable in many cultures. There is no incremented defect % from this form of 'incest'.

 

Sorry I shoulda clarified :o
I meant father to daughter etc...
I wasnt even thinking of cousins actually, but yea youre right about them-

 

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Why am i agreeing with so many people lately?
Anyways, completely agree with Roxasvsriku here.
(agreed with quoted message)

 

"It's not the child's fault that the mother got raped is it? "
True. But is it the mothers fault that shes pregnant because some SOB decided to take her rights a a human being away? :( Its a two way street :(

This is going to sounds absolutely horrible [and it is ] but the worlds population is at 6 billion. Thats three times over the comfortable population range which is at 2billion. So you get what Im saying...again its not a pleasant thought at all and I cant believe Im even suggesting such a thing, but we really are overpopulated. People are living longer now and we're just getting inundated with so many new people as well.
This is NOT to say Im for abortion though, its just a thought Ive had-

 

Especially if the mother has a whole family of her own. If she already has children and knows that she needs to be there for her family, if she chooses to live her decision is only more supported. Logically, it's in the best interest of everyone in that family to have a mother in the household contrary to another sibling that must be raised with only one parent.

This isn't relevant, but I have an orange square instead of the white one I see on most people's profiles, what does this indicate? Heh. I feel like such a noob. (*¬*);

Also: I think that lungs are the last organ to form, since babies often get 'colics' that trip up their respiratory system. The heartbeat can usually be heard at about 2-4 months, which is actually rather early.

 

Answering the little orange square question, that is your Karma. If you do good stuff then people can say, "Gee, great kid" and give you Karma points. They can also say, "MEANIE!!!!" and say i disapprove. And some people have said "I disapprove."

That is why you have an organge square.

 

Thanks, I assumed it was associated with that.

Lovely. *glares at art and graphics thread*

On the subject, people are talking about condoms and such, but certain religions [such as catholicism] look down upon any sort of prevention. Of course, there is always abstinence.

 

I said it kinda backwards before...I meant that its one of the last to fully form. [I think?] I heard that babies have a tiny hole in their heart that is closed at the time of birth...
It does start forming early and lungs are the last, I have heard that before-
In anycase, I feel that brain development is what to go by...It controls emotions, sensory, perception of the babies surroundings etc...

Did anyone see that episode of House where the woman had the baby? She was older and they thouht the baby would kill her so House wanted to terminate the baby, but the woman wouldnt. The scene where it reached out and touched him was so amazing...Ive seen pictures in national geographic of that, but it was real. Absolutely amazing, even inutero, humans crave touch. I find it fascinating...

 

I don't think abortion is any different than going to somebodies house and killing them. What sick human would ever want this to be done to another human being? I mean what kind of evil person could've gotten the idea that killing unborn babies is better for everybody. And don't try to change my mind, it's never gonna change.