4chan VS tumblr.

Yeah, I agree, stopping people from raping is a lot better. However, teaching people to learn how to defend themselves would also deter raping as well. It's important to also empower women with the knowledge and tools to defend themselves imo.

And as far as the whole "a large percentage of rapes are done by male college students" thing is kind of a blurry subject. That's what "Blurred Lines" was about: Where does playful suggestions stop and actual rape begin? I'm not discounting that women actually do get raped on college campuses, but this whole "courtship" thing is kinda tricky.

If two people were making out, one suggests sex, but the other detests, the making out continues, then one of them suggests sex again and then the other agrees on the second try, is that rape? I mean, one party coerced the other, but in the end both parties consented. Is that still rape?

If both of you are intoxicated, is that rape? If only one of you happens to be intoxicated (not to the point of unconsciousness, and no foul play was involved), is that rape? Even though if you commit a crime while intoxicated, you're still held responsible for all of your actions?

If you regret it the next morning, even though you said yes, is that rape?

Yes, rape happening around college campuses is a travesty and miscommunication and not defining what is playful suggestion and actual rape is also a part of the problem.

It's a personal solution, as opposed to something that will stop it all together, I suppose.

It makes sense, but men also put down other men for not having certain characteristics. For not being manly enough. For not being strong enough, etc. Any sign of femininity is seen as sign of weakness in men, which again, is due to this so called "patriarchy" or agenda of sorts. If you're not normal, if you're not the same as everyone else, if you're different, if you don't fit into this mold that society has put you in as a male/female/black/white/spanish/whatever, you get outcasted and discriminated against.

My point is that society puts everyone into a mold from birth depending on factors that you can't control (I know your article touched on this), women too, and that's why I like the term "Equalist", because it doesn't put any emphasis on any one group being discriminated against. Labeling myself as a feminist would, in my opinion, mean that I hold women's rights over, let's say, equal rights for black people, which I don't since I think they're both equal. Just like how all these groups that are discriminated against are trying to be: equal to one another. Just my two cents.

But my point is that that's changing and in such a way that other's opinions shouldn't matter to someone living in the 21st Century. Perhaps thanks to feminism. But you're completely right.

 

>Feminism thread

THE THREAD GOT EVEN WORSE. ABORT.

 

How about we just rename it to "Don't be a ****** person" and be done with it?

 

I actually agree with this...

 

Remember this day

 

Oddly enough, I didn't even think of Korra when seeing that. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?

 

I have mixed feelings about all of this.
Whenever I give my opinions about feminism I feel like an as*hole because I don't know a whole lot about it and I'm not a female so who am I to tell you how you're discriminated against, objectified, etc.
For me, gender doesn't really matter at all. I guess I would say I'm attracted to females but when talking to someone, gender isn't what comes to mind. I just see them as a person rather than a male/female. I don't think sexuality is a bad thing at all though. All people should be allowed use their bodies for whatever they want, but this isn't really happening right now. I get annoyed when girls who embrace their sexuality and enjoy sex are labeled as ****s or whores but at the same time I get annoyed when males are laughed and made feel like **** for being a virgin. From what I know about feminism, in concept it sounds awesome. I just can't help but feel that the majority of feminists I see, especially on twitter, are so angry and bitter. I guess you could say they have the right to be angry, but it does not help their cause at all. If you really care about feminism, shouldn't you be trying to encourage others, both male and female to learn more about it and get involved with the movement? Don't just sit online all day complaining, DO something about it. Write articles, organise community events like meetups, lectures, etc. Being bitter just makes the cause seem unapproachable. I think it's a good part of the reason why people seem to be so against it.
But yeah, I dunno. This is just the opinion of a straight, white, cisgendered male who lives a pretty sheltered life, so take it however you want.

 

blurred lines is gross
but it's not really that fuzzy. coercion =/= consent, an intoxicated person legally cannot consent. in those situations, if the person feels it was rape then they can take the necessary legal action -- but you also have to keep in mind how few rapes are actually reported and how few people are actually CONVICTED of rape

pressure upon men to fit into a hyper masculinized mold is patriarchy and it's something that feminism absolutely works on. feminism is also concerned with eliminating discrimination based on not only gender but sexuality and race as well. it's an extremely broad movement that has grown to encompass many other social causes. in fact, it began in the us as part of the abolitionist movement in the 19th century (and splintered for various reasons but that is beside the point). it deals with poverty, privilege, basically any form of oppression because feminists want to eliminate oppression in all forms -- not just in regards to women. I would of course say that I am a humanist, and egalitarian, but I'm also a feminist. to be the first two you must also be the third in my mind. it's not about placing one cause above the other -- though people can certainly choose to focus on one form of activism in their lives --and it's not a title that is mutually exclusive with humanism. I don't know why you would think that. but again, it does -- and must -- retain the title feminism for reasons that article explains

 

I understand this completely but it's extremely difficult for any activist to not grow bitter or angry. many of them begin very active, inspired, and idealistic, but when they're faced with slow progress, resistance, ignorance, when their cause is dismissed... it's extremely difficult to hold onto that positivity. when I became involved in the feminist movement particularly through my school I was also disturbed by how many of the people in it, my professors especially, seemed bitter and that they had little patience for doing what you say they should be doing. but I've come to realize that it's bc these women have spent 10, 20, 30, even 40 years involved in this movement and -- not to say they have not accomplished anything, they most certainly have -- but they're still fighting many of the same battles they have been since the 60s. they're still facing many of the same types of oppression. it's difficult to stay positive in that situation. and I'm not excusing what some of those women turn that into -- treating the privileged and ignorant and those who misunderstand the movement with vitriol -- but I pity them. they're tired and fed up and the world is constantly trying to convince them that their cause is unimportant and ****. it's really sad.

it's great that you can say that you don't recognize gender or sexuality or at least don't discriminate based upon it. you can definitely jive in feminist circles.but you have to recognize -- which I think you do in this post -- how lucky you are to not have gender or sexuality be a problem in your life. and like I said I think you definitely do based upon this post but part of feminism is being aware of your privilege and not allowing it to blind you -- that is, not saying that there is no cause to fight just because you personally have been lucky enough not to face these problems (which you never said at all, not accusing you of that)

 

Why is this still in the Spam Zone?

 

This kind of thing pisses me off. Sure, we shouldn't punish people for being misinformed... But their misinformation is willful. They dismissed us before we started, and that rightfully pisses us off.

Nearly everyone ignores the majority and thinks that feminism is that minority. For every feminazi, there are orders of magnitude more true feminists. Despite that, the public image of feminism is the nazis.

I may have said this before. They want to believe that you are a hypocrite so that they can dismiss you entirely. They jump at the chance to ridicule someone who takes the label inaccurately and spread that person's bad behavior onto you.

Our battle is a harsh kind of battle. People do not like being told that the status quo is bad. They don't like believing that their comfort zone is wrong. They will use any argument or evidence they like to support their current stance instead of arguments that are good.

We are forced to start from misinformed instead of uninformed thanks to these self-labeling people.

How can I accept that these people will exist when it is so harmful that they do?

 

Because this is where all the cool kids are.

 

It was never meant to go this far, Harold!

 

oh man i want to watch this movie now

 

There's literally no point to this thread now.

@Plums can u lock dis shite down

 

locked