4chan VS tumblr.

Oddly enough, I agree with 100% of everything Makaze has said on the last two pages.

 

I know right? I didn't even read Chad's posts. Pssh, what a loser.

 

No one shouldn't, there's nothing going against it. It's all sound.

 

Where on earth did you get that from? I read your posts, and I think they sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

I know. I just mean it's odd because usually Makaze has a differing opinion than me.

 

Yeah, I know you did, just a little self-deprecation.

And I'm sorry you don't understand. What're you confused about?

 

I'm confused as to how you can think like that.

 

Spoiler

Really though, give the man some material to work with instead of scolding him for unfortunately common misconceptions.

 

I'm really not feeling up to it, honestly. I've said it before, but I'm terrible at explanations, and I fear I wouldn't get the point across.
You wanna talk about it, @Misty is probably the better person to ask.

 

Nah. I don't share his ideas, no offense Chad.

@Chad Thundercucc I got you somebody to talk to.

 

Think like what? Wait, do you guys not understand what I'm saying?

I'M NOT AGAINST FEMINISM

I'm saying, yes, women do have some terrible hardships and what not, but they also have some privileges exclusive to them that men don't have. And men also have some privileges obviously, but they also have some social hardships too.

I'm not a feminist. I'm not a masculinist. I'm an eqaualist.

How does any of that sound unreasonable?

 

Not that it sounds unreasonable, you just seemed to be complaining more than pointing out your own beliefs.

But let me just correct this.

Feminism =/= More rights for women than men.

Feminism = Equality. Feminists strive for equality among men and women both in the workplace and among society in general.

Those "feminazis" that you associate with feminism? Those are misandrists.

 

Feminism is about equality. Feminism is not about being better than men. It's about not being terrified of being raped or murdered every time you leave the house. It's about not having to put up with bullsh*t because you're a 'Lady' and as a 'Lady' you're not supposed to be big, you're not supposed to be loud, you're supposed to fucking sit there and take it because otherwise, oh no! You might never find a man and you'll die alone. Because apparently your aspiration should never rise higher than being a good wife and mother.

It's about not having old white guys argue about whether a woman should have control over her own vagina. It's about not getting screamed at for being a slut when you have sex, or getting called a frigid b*tch when you choose not to.

It's about not having someone shoot down innocent women, just because they're not getting women flocking to them just for having a dick. It's about the hundreds of movies that are a total sausage fest except for one woman, who's there for eye candy, who you could replace with a lamp and nothing would change.

Yes, there are crazy crazies out there who are all 'death to all men' or whatever, but those are not feminists. They're crazies.

I am very proud to say I'm a feminist, and if you don't like it, then tough shit.

 

Alright, I'm glad you made that distinction.

 

it is super late and i am massively tired but this is something i've been thinking about and

in all of these different movements there is ALWAYS this common "but they aren't REAL ____". they aren't representative of the whole, that much is true, but pushing them aside also means nothing when they can still claim the label for themselves. what authority do we have to rebuke someone of the men's right activist label, their feminist label, or **** their koala hug summer spring label? we don't. we can't hang some sign over their head and say "they aren't in this pls don't pay attention to them!" movements in general need to acknowledge these people and embrace the fact that there are and will be people who adopt the label who are ****** and do ****** things beneath it. movements need to reach out to the people who the unreal activist touches and say "yo so they don't really understand what's going on and i'm sorry for that," but i hardly see that kind of exchange. all i end up seeing is "THEY ARE NOT A REAL ____" and then lambasting the person who was talked to as punishment for being misinformed.

that is what irks me so much about every movement, about not accounting for this and for treating other people poorly just because they genuinely did not know any better due to some ******* no one wants to own up to. movements need to stop shoving aside the 'fake' activists and account for the fact that they are out there, they have lead people astray, and it is the real activist's to correct that without treating the unaware as though they are the poisonous ones.*

*of course if someone is well aware of what the real thing entails and merely using the unreal activist to leverage total bs then screw that

 

Well....

Then don't see it that way, is alll I can say. Like you said:

This is what I'm really trying to say. Most people shoot down the ideas of feminism as soon as they even hear the word, feminism, mostly because they always think of the feminists that are hardcore advocates of misandry.

The best way I can put it is that those feminists (which they are, as I said, feminists) take it too far.

Think of the brony fandom. They get so much **** because their more popularly known group is the basement dweller with a neckbeard and a fleshlight in every one of his plushies. I'm aware that there is a much more lighthearted side to them, but people oft try to forget they exist. It's almost the opposite of this situation here.

Then by all means, they should correct it. I'm waiting for that breakthrough.

 

These problems can easily go away by living in safer neighborhood/carrying a weapon of some sort, changing the company you keep, and not caring about what others think...but I do see your point.

I agree whole-heartedly.

Alternatively, not having a man's self-worth be defined by his sexual escapades would be nice too (not that I'm defending what he did, I'm just saying that there's unjust expectations put onto men as well).

Granted. Just please don't talk about "unrealistic standards of beauty". Because that whole argument is just ridiculous and seeded in insecurity.[DOUBLEPOST=1404717691][/DOUBLEPOST]

Everyone, please excuse Plums. He's not a real admin, so his opinion doesn't really matter.

Misty on the other hand, now that's a real admin.

lol Naw, but you make a point.

 

im way too tired / bored of repeating this ad infinitum to explain in depth & detail but feminism is arguing for the same things that "humanists" and "egalitarians" are; it is, categorically, an egalitarian movement. however, it holds a specific focus on gender and sexuality, hence the fem- prefix. go ahead and call yourself a humanist and an egalitarian, but if you want to be either of those, you're gonna have to be a feminist too. deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

feminism is cool anyway why wouldn't you want to be One of Us

victim blaming

i feel like i should be getting paid for how often i link this article
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-adm...op-turning-it-into-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy

insecurity that patriarchy actively embeds within women basically from birth

 

u gaiz r gross ew

Well, in a perfect world, no one should be afraid of getting killed, robbed or raped. But it still happens, even to guys, and **** like that will continue happening unfortunately.

That's why people move away to places where situations like that are less likely, or better yet, get protection for themselves.

And in a perfect world, people don't put down other people just because they don't follow the norm or whatever, but we're not in a perfect world. So, what do people do when they're with people who don't approve of their lifestyle decisions and put them down? Find a different group of people who will accept them for who they are and change their situation. That's all I'm suggesting.

Ehhh, wanna give me the jist of it? I'd rather not read it, and then disect somebody else's words, since it's YOU that I'm talking to.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to since "patriarchy" is a broad term and it seems like a lot of people just use it as a buzzword, but guess what? Society doesn't have that big of a hold on you. It can if you let it. You can change your mind. You can look the way you want to look. You can learn to be happy with yourself. You can learn to wear what you want to wear. Whatever pre-conceived notions this big bad "patriarchy" drilled into your head can all disappear by making. up. your. own. mind.

Your confidence lies within you. Saying "THE BEAUTY STANDARD IS TOO HIGH" doesn't mean anything. Who's beauty standard? Everyone's is different as hell. Girls that I find attractive don't always overlap with the girls my friends find attractive. Society isn't a hivemind. I just wish more women undstood that.

 

the point is that we maybe we should be promoting how to stop people from raping others rather than teaching people (primarily women) how not to get raped. a horrifying number of male college students surveyed have a fundamental misunderstanding of what consent is and rape victims are constantly asked whether they "encouraged" the behavior. hell ****ing no

feminism isn't as simple or myopic as dealing with casual bullying; it's about addressing the systematic disenfranchisement of women

it's basically explaining feminism in baby language to ppl who don't understand it. highlight passages/parts being:

patriarchy is a broad term but we're referring to a specific efect of it here; it refers to a society dominated by males, which we all live in. components of patriarchy include teaching women that their self-worth is determined by attracting male attention. it's true that many women become aware of that and work against it, developing their own sense of confidence and self-worth, but that is far from the norm; psychology and sociology both teach us what pervasive & heavy influence society has upon our development. to downplay that is simply wrong. women can do all of those things as in they have the ability to -- but the odds are not stacked in their favor when every magazine, tv show, movie, etc. is contrary to that