2013 VMA (You know what I'm talking about...)

Actually, the song that she sang vaguely references drugs - something about "doing a line in the bathroom". I know it's just a lyric, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

 

I think song lyrics that indicate an illegal activity, such as drugs, representing what a person does in real life are rarely true.

For example, the song "Sex, Drugs and House." While I'm sure the band members have had sex in their lives since that's legal, I doubt they do drugs.

 

Contrary to your belief, it wouldn't surprise me if they did do drugs. Sure there are times where it's only meant as a lyric, but there are a fair number of people, famous or not, who make those choices -- you see it with child stars and school kids alike.

As for the main topic of discussion itt, I agree that Miley can dance and sing however she wants, but there is a line, however fine it may seem nowadays, that you SHOULD NOT CROSS (and on an awards show, of all things). The outfit she wore on the red carpet was fine; despite my issues with it, the outfit she wore at the beginning of her performance on stage was fine; even the nude bikini (which is how I see it) was passable given past on-screen outfits (see: Lady Gaga in the crowd that same night), but doing those moves on that stage, even to a song that implies certain things, was utterly absurd -- and for Christ's sake, could she have possibly done anything more with that damn foam finger??

And I'd just like to add that the whole "oh, but child stars all come out crazy" argument should not be the default response, as the Sprouce twins, Justin Timberlake and Selena Gomez have all come out doing much better than Amanda Bynes and Lindsey Lohan. It's a matter of guidance during their rise to stardom, and their own ability to deal with the lack of attention that follows their 15 minutes of fame.

 

All I'm saying is, if I had to do a show for everyone who cares about my profession, I wouldn't act that dirty. Show that you care about your profession.

 

>Not doing drugs

Have you seen her videos and heard her music lately? It's almost a guarantee that she's doing drugs.

 

She's been CAUGHT ON TAPE DOING DRUGS, first of all. Second of all someone of her caliber in the industry is literally handed drugs and alcohol on a silver platter. Look up Demi Lovato and her drug problems and read about how she would go to clubs to perform and the owners would just give her drugs and alcohol.

Clearly if she's referencing things like doing lines in the bathroom she's at least in support of it, and judging by her VMA performance I wouldn't doubt if she was high on stage, and she's already been caught doing other drugs.

 

Boy I miss those days when she depended on a blonde wig and sings "Best Of Both Worlds". Looking back now I wonder, "Seriously what the hell happened"? Yes I know she can dress and do what she wants, but if rubbing her junk on others for most of her presentations is the best she could do, then yes of course she'll be
riduculed.

This.
I thought you were suppose to do your very best when performing at the VMA, not doing the same predictable stunt.

 

I didn't mind so much.. the only schocking thing about it is that she was Hanna montana a few years back(and how strange her ass looked in those shorts, like wtf?), and now it is not (every singer has to be GaGa now?).

I don't know about you, but for me that lived the 90's I saw the "downfall" of Pop music , until the 90's pop song even when talking about sex wouldn't be so "agressive", so "everybody could listen", today's pop is as agressive, as death metal , so one can't just hear DM and Pop as if nothing was happening, I mean you are free to like whatever you like, but when a style gets to agressive normally the fanbase doesn't mix.. today's pop is a different creature from past's.. now it is not a bad thing in itself, but I personaly don't like something that makes polemics, only for the sake of controversy.

Anyway.. I've saw way "worst" In my national Tv, the inverse route also our most famous Kid's tv presenter "Xuxa", made soft porn before , and even more polemic than yours, In the movie she would seduce a little boy and worse, and by carnival it is OK to show naked women in our tv at 5 PM as long there is some paint on her (try google/youtube "globeleza")

 

Personally, this whole incident shows just how skewed view Americans have on sexuality. Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was very tasteless and all, but I've come across statements such as "This is porn. They just showed porn on national television." Which they clearly did not. Miley Cyrus was tasteless, Thick was tasteless, but all in all it was a pretty short moment and nowhere near as bad as it would seem by reading internet articles.

Then again, that might just be the different cultures making it seem that way. Since here we have movies rated 10+ with sex scenes and South Park airs right after school ends.

 

probably, sex is more acceptable than violence in europe. it's the other way around in the states. violent? oh sure, pg to pg-13. sex? rated r because we can't have our children be corrupted.

 

Which is quite backwards. However, I will add to my previous statement that while I don't see any problem with children seeing nudity and the like, I do see a problem with them seeing things like these. It's too tasteless for impressionable minds.

 

I don't see anything wrong with nudity either, it's just when it gets tasteless like this that it becomes a problem and people want to censor it.

 

Unfortunately it's due to America's puritanical roots. We're so closed to The Evil Sex, and it's just plain ridiculous. This country needs to adapt healthier attitudes towards portraying sex in the media and sexual education & expression in general. I'm not defending Miley's performance (though I still believe it wasn't so bad, if tasteless), but I think a lot of the knee jerk reactions people had to it speak to issues with how we perceive women's sexuality (as Sumi brought up, no one is really railing on the guy involved ( I have no idea what his name is ), at least not as bad as Miley). To me the big issues with the performance were the objectification of black women and Miley's attempts to capitalize on being "ratchet." The foam finger really didn't bother me that much either.

 

So my mom brought up a point yesterday: She believes Miley is being like this because she's "crying out" for attention due to low self-esteem. Also, my mom likes Shakira and brought up how she does similar sexual moves in her dancing, but that they're not vulgar, and that it is dancing.

What are your guys' thoughts on that? Do you believe that any time a celebrity does something like what Miley did that it's a cry for attention due to low self-esteem?

 

I've literally looked it up, and my goodness how crude and distasteful. I find celebrities trying to look sexual just look stupid not impressive, and yes this is most every celebrity, even the ones people call sexy I find just look desperate for attention, not actually sexually confident or powered.

I can't believe it got through, not because it was sexual but because it was purely vulgar, it had no sense of fun or uplifting the crowd, it was all just terrible quality wise for me. I would hope kids exposed to sexual stuff would at least be shown properly, not some random desperate trash that's suppose to look modernised and relevant to what the young perceive as sexy dancing.

Thicke's songs irritate me and Cyrus is just another person following the current pop trend. Ultimately, this is just the trend of award shows trying to trump each other when it's losing the sight of being an AWARDS show.

 

I can't post the video because of its graphical nature, but search "Miley Cyrus Shocking VMA Performance - Sean Hannity Fox News" on YouTube.

I have to say, I agree with it. MTV comes up with something more shocking each year.

 

I don't agree with this myself.

Search for "Miley Cyrus VMA Performance - Shocking or So What?" by The Young Turks on YouTube. Like the newswoman said, there was nothing different about it from any other performance other than Miley used to star in Hannah Montana.

Adding my own personal views, the song itself was sexual because it was about "twerking," so if it hadn't been Miley, it would have been another girl. Also, a lot of people have been saying that this is Miley shoving her bisexuality out. Whether that's true or not, I don't know and I don't care. Sexuality, whatever it is, shouldn't play a role in things like this.

 

I think everyone should get over themselves. Seriously, get over yourselves.

I think it's her choice what she does or doesn't do in her music videos and in her life. This isn't the worst thing that could happen. I've seen worse on Cartoon Network, okay that's stretching it. Bottom line is that she's not the same girl from 'Hannah Montana' or her earlier career. She found her own path and she's living the way she wants to.

Whether or not this is a cry for help, I'm unsure. It could very well be. She doesn't appear to have confidence issues but who knows.

I just don't understand why people make such a big fuss over this stuff. Change the channel, read a book, get over it. The world isn't going to end because Miley Cyrus isn't the sweet innocent little girl you all loved to watch and listen to.

 

Not picking on you in particular, but the point people are making about 'it's her choice' that I want to address quick.

When celebs get invited to perform at the VMAs, it means that everything they do has to be approved by VMA organisers. The VMA care about ratings, viewership and to be the talk of the town/internet, and this is accomplished by promoting scandalous events, raunchy performances and general 'party' atmosphere. They also ''exploit' the use of sexual female singers in particular, looking back at the last few years, we've had, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, and now Miley Cyrus.
I won't say that what they did wasn't ablibded, of course that's entirely possible, but the VMAs definitely approve of all the onstage setting, costumes and choreography way before the show starts. So yes, it was her choice to do this, but she was definitely encouraged to act in such a way.

And also, this could change the world as stupid as it sounds. Celebrity culture will definitely be affected by stuff like the VMAs, which is why you see wannabes trying to act like the next big singer, because that's what we praise. Whether it's a good change or not, will depend on the individual.

Last thing for people commenting on 'Is this a cry for help?' then probably. This is the rebellion stage for most teens, drugs, drink, sex, outlandish behaviour, etc. And the rebellious stage is always a cry for help, but Cyrus' particular cry is a mystery.

 

Seeing as she's had family issues, more so with her father, I believe, this is most likely where the rebelling is coming from.

I do want to point out, though, that she's 20 years old and is therefore a young adult, not a teenager.