358/2 Days Xion worthy to be in Organization XIII?

On other forums I have seen mixed feelings about this and would like to know what people actually think about her. For me I seem to be neutral though other users I have seen have been bringing in some good points. Is she worth this game or do you guys really think she is a wasted character? We can have this kind of like a debate criticism discussion maturely. There can be both negative and postive views as long as there are NO flaming or bashing users on this. So people can say what they really feel without the vulgar langauge. Please respect people's opinions on this. Also give your reasons. Don't say things like She is cool, I like her.

 

Well i don't know very much about her, but i thought and said Indifferent......

 

I need to know more about her before I make a decison. There is some information I know, but the story of her character needs to layed out more. I'll be able to answer this once the game is released.

 

Ya, ask me later, like in a few months when it actually comes out....:/

 

Agreed. Even if she isn't, it's still nice to tie the story together by showing Roxas' time in the Organization.

 

Lemme see here...

1) She's a nobody (maybe) *check*
2) She's hot *BIG check*
3) Wield a Keyblade *double check, in case one of them leaves they'll still have a spare in the Org XD*
4) Can Fight *check* (isn't this supposed to be criteria #1 or 2?)
5) No Xion = Fairly Predictable Story/Game (Roxas stays in the Organization for 358 days...the end)
6) Looks like Kairi *special check*
7) Looks hot in organization clothes *check*
8) Looks HOTTER WITHOUT organization clothes. 8> *BIGGER check*
9) U want a boy instead?
10) Like to hang out with Roxas and Axel *check*
11) Let Square decide whether she's important or not. If she's in the game, there's gota b a gd reason.

Im pretty sure u can take out about 5-7 reasons on the list but even then says a lot. :/

 

Those are some really good points, I hope that she doesn't die or anything

 

LOL.
No one remembers her, not Roxas, not Axel and you hope she wasn't killed or eradicated? She's sure together with Kairi or Sora now. (don't really know to whom she really belongs)

Back to the topic.
I don't like her. She's cute, angsty, holds a keyblade and is best friends with Roxas and Axel too. I really tried to give her a chance, but the thought 'Mary-Sue' just didn't let go of me. -.-

And the question 'Does Xion deserve to be in Organization XIII?' seems kind of weird to me. Of course she deserves it, she's (almost) perfect!
But on the other hand: do I actually deserve to have the game ruined by this girl?

(yeah, and forget the last sentence. I got carried away by my self-pity)

 

Minus the hot thing, which I don't think is correct, some of the things sound Mary-Sueish.





About my opinion of her, though, I don't like her character insertion. I can't hate the girl, but I do not like the way she was introduced. To begin, I'll first quote someone who made a good point that needs to be said, and cannot be done any better the way it was explained.

• I cannot express how much I am into agreement with such a statement. This is the main problem with this character. That she's a retcon, and breaks what was already a credible timeline. And what we are getting isn't what we had expected [notice how before she was uncloaked, most of the dislike was never as bad as what I've seen], and she's a Mary-Sue to the word. And that's not even much of her problems, it's just her character placement in the story. Retcons are fine, but not always good. Xion is this example.
• Good retcon - Crisis Core was good. Nothing known about Shinra's SOLDIER in the first place. The add-in character, Angeal, was only important to Zack in connection, who died before Cloud's story, who had nothing to do with the other two, if at all. Sephiroth was too mentally unstable, or didn't care for his past by FF7 to ever mention anything, considering it had nothing to with Cloud. Doesn't break cherished dynamics. Doesn't have 12+ characters to develop. Overall, nifty and understandable.
  Bad retcon - "WTFloloolzlookz!there'sa14thmembernooneremembersandhasmetallimportantcharactersbutnoonecaresforherexistenceinthesequelatall!lololololol".
• If I wanted a mysterious 14th member in Mary-Sue clarification, who has ties with some named characters, and everyone cares and feels sympathy for her, has boys on her ass, and she has a sad story...because you know, her "brave and tragic fate" is so crucial and upsetting to the friends who don't give a damn about her in the sequel, while having this great importance and connection, I would have gone to Fanfiction.Net, and met the same crappy credibility in writing. Talk about originality.
• Which leads to them not being able to create a much better plot and story to add to the game except the usual Kairi-look alike that needs to be in every side addition, it seems, and are the only important female characters. Woe is you if you don't look like Kairi.
• Xion's story is basically a rehash of Roxas's problem in KH2. About existence, own life, leaving friends, etc. Complete rehash, Emo 2.0. And no doubt we'll see the exact process over again. And in the end, she'll end up being "brave" to her tragic, upsetting fate. Oh, poor wittle Xion >.>. Like hell I'm falling for the usual "pity method" they throw at me to make me like her. It's like been there, done that, why add something like this once more?
• Roxas didn't need to leave the Organization because of Xion. IT WAS NEVER NEEDED. Just the fact that he had recurring dreams about Sora, nobody was telling him anything, he didn't know why he held this weapon, and that the more he stayed in the Organization, the more their true colors appear, as well as Axel, his supposed best friend, obviously keeping things from him, will make a character have the decision to leave in the end. And yes, that could be covered in a year. The Organization might've been alright in the beginning, until things started to make themselves apparent as he went on missions, etc. Xion was never needed for this. She never existed.
• And Roxas never mentioned her as his reason for having left in KH2. Not even in the Novels [not manga, the written ones where they explain what went on behind-the-scenes of the game], where we go into his actual thoughts, did he ever use her as a reason. If she was so crucial, well...it didn't affect him surely, to not give her some recognition.
• Along with this fact, she doesn't have a role in the future game, and she disappears without no one, not even Axel or Roxas, deeming her important enough to care for or give a damn about to mention. Axel is the type of person who's hard core, and whose friendship mean to him. He even said Roxas was the only one he liked, and suddenly, we have this new girl having something to do with him? I'm actually glad that he seems to have known from the beginning that Xion was not going to last, and that he could be playing along until the time was right, and especially that he appears to attack her when she was confronting Roxas. Otherwise, it would not make sense in its finest word. Xion needs to find some real "friends".
• Having a memory wipe it's the biggest cop out because they know her character is unnecessary. In my opinion, they are basically saying they know she was pulled out of their asses, they know she's random, they know she doesn't make sense, so they need to have everyone forget her to fix what they recently stupid toyed with.
• Even with with KH2 FM+ out in Japan which is the most recent, like KH1:FM, in the written Novels, the manga, anything KH related, she was never mentioned or been said to exist. At least Roxas had that credibility, for goodness sakes. The chick popped out of the blue. And has half the characters attention on her. Even the characters she interacts with couldn't give a flying crap. Riku, Naminé? If she was this important, why not say anything? It's like once KH2 came, she didn't matter, despite that everyone is falling at her feet with her emo problem and having sympathy given. Again, not even Roxas had that pleasure, sans Naminé. And maybe Axel, but he was more concerned about him surviving and getting him back, than feeling sorry for him as he didn't witness his struggles.
• She's contrived and forced, and a lazy add-on for those very reasons.
• Main problem with her is that she will be stealing spotlight, from established characters that were there long before her, TWELVE OF THEM that need development, and she just comes right in, and is more important than the rest. Seriously?
• So let's wrap this up:
  1. She takes up valuable screen time that could be used for other established characters that really need the development more than her, she comes out of nowhere, a add-on, and she's suddenly more important than everyone else.
  2. She has some BFF thing with Roxas and Axel, which is sad, because I enjoyed them being alone, and this being their special place, their hang out, and what they do. Not for gay reasons, but it was truly what separated them from the others, and then we add this girl just for the sake of a "trio", which takes away some of the special friendship we were never given.
  3. She wields a Keyblade. She looks like Kairi. She has a "tragic, but brave fate", she takes ALL of the scans, information, pictures, and everything has her face plastered in it, you have Riku and Roxas touching her, Axel seeking her, and that she's this mysterious 14th member of Organization XIII that no one remembers in the future.
  4. She never needed to be any key that ties into the game.
  5. Everything was just fine explaining in KH2 that Roxas was needed to make Sora have his memories back, and without him, it could not be completed. Hence, his role and why Diz wanted him. Nobody questioned it, because it didn't need to be questioned until recently with her, what used be, nonexistent self.
  6. If you take her out, she wouldn't make a dent considering we already got KH2 just fine without her, along with the proper memory explanations on Sora. And in the end, nobody gives a damn about her in the future unless they got memory wiped, apparently. Or else, it gives the question of why no one ever bothered to care afterwards when she's gone. Some "friends" those are.
  7. I understand they needed some spice to add to the plot of 358/2 Days so it may not seem like a Organization game for fans, yet I just think it was placed wrongly. And I keep wondering if that's the best they could come up with.
  8. Canon Mary-Sue.
  9. She needs to GTFO.
  10. Horrible plot device. No matter how great she's written, she doesn't make sense.

That is all.

 

I'll only quote the wrap up and save people the lag.I've been waiting for some form of good KH discussion for about a three months now.
I agree with two of your points but the one thing you fail to remember is that the game isn't out yet so you can't make judgements on the storyline which pretty much nullifies points 1,4,5,6,9 and 10 because you don't know anything about the game that the developers have let people to know.For all we know she could've been an intregal part of every game but we didn't make the connection, e.g. the keyblade kairi recieves in the world that never was.the only points i would agree with are 2 and 7 because i have to admit they are perfectly correct.
Another possability people forget is that Xion mightn't expalin anything in previous game but she might answer questions for BBS indirectly.She might answer questions that are asked in BBS and vica versa making her part of the storyline.

 

She never existed.

And she's still a Mary-Sue plot device.

So it's not like I care what she's going to be.

If people want to argue how significant she is, then yeah, let's wait for the game. Because so far, no one gives a damn to mention or remember her.

 

For now her character does not make ANY sense, nor does the connection with Axel on both Roxas and Xion's account.

Xion looks like Kairi, sounds like Kairi, can weild a keyblade like Kairi.

However, the names of the organization members(not every Nobody with human form) are variations of original names with a X put into them. Axel has been proven to not be Riku's nobody(as far as my knowledge goes, I am recently picking back up Kingdom Hearts and all my previous knowledge has gone to mush), and Namine' was supposively Kairi's nobody?

She is trying to get away form the organization and Axel keeps bringing her back. She continously meets up with Riku, but as for romantics, I think not.

 

Well, I would wait until the actual game comes out to make the decision.
But obviously something happened to her and she's not in the organization anymore hmmm....

 

In the latest trailer it said something with Xion having some sort of power. I am wondering what kind of power that this is. I hope it isn't power of memories....She is easily manipulated and fights eh not so good since Riku just elbowed her and she was down on the ground. All of the organization members have some kind of power, I am sure hers is something besides a keyblade.

 

That's so true for no one has seen her power yet if she has any and maybe that's why the organization kept it's name to be XIII rather than XIV because they didn't consider to be a member due to not having any elemental power or a ability that would consider to be useful in the organization.

 

She's not worthy to be the Organization XIII's number XIV..

Because of her, Roxas Betrayed The organization..

 

I'm not really sure yet, she might be worthy and she might not it indifferent. I'm going to wait and play the game before I make my dission.

 

Without Xion 258/2 days will be too boring and predictable (Roxas joins Org., Roxas leaves Org.) and I think she will be significant but I don't understand why she wasn't even mentioned in KH II

 

Yeah... you have some good point there....
and I hope she doesn't mad at you when she read this hahaha ^^