Who do you think would make a good president

I want some of your opinons on this because I really don't know who I would vote for.(If I could vote). So who would you pick and why? (People running for president only please.)

 

To be honest, I don't usually like to -judge- people but I'll just say I'm not happy with Bush. I don't mind Republicans or Democrats really, and instead look at the platforms themselves of what they support and do not support and vote accordingly. I think though in a way, this might be a harsh topic to discuss as Bush often leads even many Republicans anymore to ask why. Of course, I can't stand Hillary either and wish Clintons and Bushs would stay out of the White House for good. They've screwed up enough for us. That would be my opinion in the end. I don't want to dislike the person, but I really do not approve of what he has done lately.

 

lol. *changes title* I'm gonna make this a who do you think would make a good president thread then.

 

I don't like Bush. Not for most people's reasons though.


Most people blame Bush for 9/11, Katrina, the current war, and every other little thing in between. People just need to get their head out of the clouds, and think for a minute.

9/11 was complicated. I honestly can't defend my point in this, since I can't understand what they're pissed at him for, and what he's done wrong. (:sweatdrop:)

But Katrina...I can't see why they blame Bush for it. The only person who should be blamed is the mayor of New Orleans. Bush said they should haul their sorry @sses out of there, but the mayor didn't make the evacuation mandatory until the last seventy-two hours. It takes a lot longer than a mere three days to evacuate a city like that out of a hurricane's way.

And the war...I think the only reason why we're not in Iraq and kicking some sorry terrorist *** is that the democrats are holding us back. Because they're a bunch of god damn hippies. Not much to say about this.

The only reason why I don't like him is because he's more of a liberal than he is a republican. He keeps messing around with the healthcare/taxes/everything else in between you would see Hilary Clinton do in office instead.


But I swear, Bush is ten times the president Hilary would ever be. If she's elected president, this country is in DEEP SHI*.

 

I will say I have mixed feelings on the war. Yes, I do think Saddam sooner or later needed to be stopped, but still, Afghanistan should have remained our focus, and stabilizing it, as well as fixing things there, searching for Bin Laden etc should have been where the war remained until Afghanistan work was completed. They -still- have problems in Afghanistan though it is not as important as what is going on in Iraq. Saddam was a ruthless man, but though I feel I am glad he is gone, I think that any strategist would have been against the war in Iraq without secure evidence that he was actually moving to do something. I believe he was working things up and yes, he did violate treaty agreements consistently from the Gulf War, but my issue is Iraq could have waited and gained more support, and validation.

As for Katrina, I don't blame Bush for Katrina itself because that's just silly. However, I do think that FEMA and others were awfully slow in responses to aiding those people whereas Texas had full coverage and help right away. This is why people are disappointed in the way Katrina was handled. I know Katrina survivors that moved around and it seemed that individual states did more for them than the national government and FEMA were doing. For how long things took and responses, compared with Texas, which Bush is from, there was some bias going on there. Even people in the Red Cross and other organizations, people that went to help etc said things weren't right. I don't blame Bush alone for this, but his attitude was just not very sincere. He sure gave Florida more support and his home state.

My biggest beef with Bush is this. He has proclaimed on TV that 'Americans' have a God and it is not the same one as the terrorists. The fanatics over there believe we are -Satan-. I do not want to have some President declaring a war about God and who's right and wrong. I could give a crap less. We are not all Christians and he has no right to rally us under such a banner. I do not fight a war for a zealous cause. No way. Just because the fanatical terrorists hate us and call us evil does not give us a right to say we are doing God's work and to answer back with a fanatical statement. His good ol boy religious views just are not the views of all Americans and if he is going to represent us, I do not believe he should say such things or make us as stupid and crazy.

The other thing Bush has tried to do is get Social Security to be ran by individual corporations. This is a mistake. The baby boomers, which are his generation, are responsible for the decay of the Social Security system, but note that they are not really paying into it and instead the following generations which have less numbers of people are expected to go to corporations for SS instead? He's crazy to make such a choice. We would be paying out ridiculously because of them, and I really think there must be some other way or else this country is going down the tubes. Of course we should be responsible for our elderly, but not at the cost of our trust where this money goes etc. At least if it goes to the government -everyone- is entitled to it, and private corps could do what medical care, medical insurance, car insurance, etc does to us and deny people. I do not feel we should have to endure that and lose everything.

The reason he has to deal with health care and taxes is because in the next 10 years to 30+ years we are going to be dealing with a lot of pain as the lesser numbered people have to support the tons of elderly and many jobs have decided to go overseas. We are severely lacking in jobs that aren't just for maintenance, repair and selling things. There are towns now that are literally abandoned or have people soaking off welfare because there are no jobs around them for 40 miles that they can do. It's very sad to see this. We need to do something. I'm glad to see he has any concern about it, truthfully.

So there are the reasons really why I don't like the guy as President. Otherwise, he's alright, but man...we really need someone sensible there that can figure out solutions to things without this anymore, and no...I ain't talking Hillary.

 

I know this will probably sound crazy and all but it doesn't matter who you vote for really, the presidents aren't the ones who control the country anymore, their are people who control them, people who blackmail theminot doing their bidding, nothing more than puppets, no President is better than any other, it doesn't change the people who actually runs the show.
Bush is a puppet, like all the people who will take over from him...

 

Lol, I am even writing a novel to that effect :D. I agree that governments are controlled by the private sector. Anything that would be uneconomical and it is thrown out of Parliament/Congress. Many say the war in Iraq was purely for the oil, again an economical gain. Basically, government is no longer about what is good for the people, it's about getting votes, in whatever way possible.

On-topic (^^; ) I think that Bush made the wrong choice of career. I think that he is not that bad a person, just ill-suited for being president. Also, many of the people around him are as much, if not more to blame, than him.

Over the war, I agree that Saddam had to be removed at some point, but not for Americas reasons. The American government intervenes when Americas national security is perceived to be at risk, all other concerns are secondary. That I think is the wrong reason to go to war.

For the piss-poor handling of Katrina I blame the national government, not Bush specifically. It was failings in the organisations set up to deal with such disasters (FEMA I think >_>) that should be blamed, although this indirectly makes bad for Bush as he really should have got such organisations sorted out.

As Repliku pointed out, he brings far too much religion into government, where there really should be as little as possible. Politics is supposed to be neutral with regards to religion. Religion just gives politicians more unnecessary agendas than they already have.

With regards to 9/11, that was the FBI and governments fault for not acting on the information. Although, even if they had acted, could they have stopped it? All they might have done was delay it. To Bush, the threat may have just been one of the many folders placed on his desk when he entered office.

Lol, that was a multi-directional post/rant >_>

As for who I would vote for, in our elections, Labour all the way. I don't trust the Conservatives >_>

 

You made some very good points and I agree with them. Really, as you and PAW pointed out, the President is only so powerful and without the back up team, whoever they are half the time, moving with the President's decisions, we don't get to really see everything that might happen. Bush's mistakes aren't his alone and he's just the front man. Yes, a President has the right to call us to war, but he didn't do that alone. There are a lot of people responsible for what happened but sadly only a couple people are going to be regarded with the credits and negative things when it comes to writing history our kids are going to read.

 

Well overall I do think he is doing a good job. First when he was just President for not even a year yet 9/11. He did a great job of keeping the nation together. And he gave some amazing speeches around the time of 9/11 possibly some of the best in US history. And following the attack we went into Afghanistan, a nation that was home to many terrorists and the suspected place where the mastermind behind 9/11, Osama Bin Laden, was. So we went in we collapsed the Taliban government there and today it's safer. So that is an accomplishment. And well Iraq. People say we had no right going in there. Yes it is true we have not found any weapons in Iraq. But they had a fair warning. They were secretive when the UN came in. Bush gave them(Saddam's government) a fair warning to leave Iraq. They did not and fighting ensued. And now Saddam is dead. His sons are dead. And Iraq is slowly but surely becoming a free nation. And we even saw in our own country what happens when you pull troops out early. During Reconstruction when Union troops were pulled out of the South too early it let groups like the KKK and White League flourish. And I believe Bush is doing the right thing. It would leave room for terrorists if we left before the job is done. And for those of you that would be unhappy that I mention WMDs once I'll do it again. Yes they did NOT find any but, there has been proof found that they were maybe a few months away from being able to build this kind of technology. So yes there was faulty information. But in the end it turned out that we can free a nation and possibly save or at least delay a nuclear war. And now with Iran and North Korea looking into nuclear weaponry it is becoming more dangerous. And I believe Bush is doing a good job right now with this potential threat. But there is so much only one man can do. Yes he has made some mistakes in his Presidency. But nobody is perfect. He is a good man a great President. God bless America. ​

 

If I am being completey honest, I think you are giving him personally too much credit. I doubt Bush wrote any of his speeches. I doubt any politicians have written their own speeches for a long time. All he did was deliver him and if the Bushisms calender is anything to go on he didn't even do that very well -____-.

As I have already said about the war, I agree that Saddam was bad for the people. But the reasons for invading were just wrong. If they hadn't blatently lied about the WMDs people might have been more receptive. I see it as either for the oil or to clean up the mess America left after the Gulf War.

Most of the sectarian fighting in Iraq is happening because Saddam is gone. He was keeping the different sides from killing each other and now that he is gone the country is falling apart.

Another point I can see in Roxma's post is all of this about Bush being on his own. He does nothing until he has been advised by his advisors (of all people :P) and even then all he really does is relay what they have decided to the people. Do you really think if Bush decided he wanted to declare war on France, his advisors would allow him? The position of presidancy is more about being a figurehead than weilding much real power. Kind of like the Queen, although she has next to no power anymore...........

MONARCHY FTW!! o/j :P

 

Personally i dont like Bush, cause he wants to keep american troops in Iraq, cause he wants to have more power. And i dont like him because of war of Iraq, i dont like Saddam for that same reason. Personally i wouldnt vote Bush, cause he would just start a new war some where middle-east, but i could be wrong. But i am sure, that he is a fine leader and he can keep USA in one piece.

 

I Agree with you.

 

i completely agree with everything you said. i dont like what bush does, but he's a better president than hilary clinton could ever dream to be. the only reason i would even want her in office is because she would be the first woman president. but really the country would be a wreck with her.

 

What I have to say is that everyone want's to assainate him , and I can decide who would make a good president but I am going to say ........... um , Robin Williams !! * Runs off *

 

watch what you say about the president. you never know if the CIA is reading everything posted in this thread O.o

 

Me and W are definataly not eye to eye on immigration and big spending, but other than that, He has failed to severly dissapoint me. If there was a more conservative option, then yes, I would vote for the other guy, but except for immigration and all of its issues, Bush has not dissapointed me. That's my opinion personally.

I think he will be one of those Presidents who will be looked upon much more favorably as time goes on.

Like I said, I have not always agreed with his methods(Dude, the current dems want to see you destroyed! THEY HATE YOU!) But if you look at his track record, it's nothing to be really ashamed of. (Unless you're a liberal)


--historic tax cuts that have sent the economy skyrocketing over the past 5 or more years and, as the news reports today, have sent poverty to record lows and employment to record highs--no easy task, by the way, in the chaotic wake of 911, and despite the expenses of war, the deficit is shrinking.

--the vigorous global response to islamofascist terror that would have been unthinkable for a Democrat of the current cut. Despite the propaganda of the loony left [and sometimes even the fringe right], the war is moving in the right direction at last.

--probably his most lasting legacy: the appointment of very solid conservative justices to the Supreme Court that has almost tipped the balance back to sanity there [one new appointment away from really cementing that, however].

--compared to several past presidents, he has led a largely serious scandal-free and honest administration, reflecting on the character of the man himself.


Have there been several serious disappointments? Sadly, yes, there have been. But they don't detract from his accomplishments.

I vote for him again to piss libs off. :satisfied:

 

I think republicans should stay out for a while cause look at the past 8 years of hell we went through.

 

I think the only one I do not truly like running right now is Hillary Clinton who has a scandal attached to her that she got away with. Also, having her here in NY, I can say she isn't good enough to be president. She's also wishy washy on a lot of things that have to be dealt with that her husband knew of. I have nothing against a female running for office and hope someday a decent one will step forward to do so, but she's riding on a fame she doesn't deserve. I can't say anymore I care whether the candidate is republican or democrat as they both seem to be bought out by corporations, so I just try to investigate each person and look for the platform on what they say they wish to change before I vote. That way I see if they hold similar interests to myself and what I'd like to see done, or not. It takes work but many of the politicians running have had sites even in the past to go and check out so that you can see that and make the best choice. Also, investigating what you can on their past too and reading through reports with an open-mind (because many reports differ in how they treat the politicians) is critical.

 

'Kay, here's my problems with Bush:
1. Iraq
We went in there to a) find the terrorists and b) get the WOMD (Weapons o' Mass
Destruction). Now let's see, did we find any weapons?
NO.
Hell, there wasn't any evidence that they had any in the first place! There was no plan going in there! He had no idea what he was doing! "Well, we need to stop the terrorists and get the weapons of mass destuction"...I'm sorry, Mr. Bush, but that just doesn't cut it. And, if we're going in there to stop the terrorists, why don't we gop to Iran, too? Let's go to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, and every other country with Muslims. They've all got terrorists! Iraq won't solve anything; it'll just make people angry.

 

I worry that this president is going to get the whole world into a nuclear war,if we don't start changing his policies.