Who do you guys think the 13 darkness are?

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  1. CloudStrife2k9 Twilight Town Denizen

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    I mean, the obvious 6 are Xehanort, Xemnas, Ansem, Young Xehanort, Xigbar, and Saix.

    But do you guys think Marluxia, Larxene, Demyx, and Luxord will return? And then possibly Vanitas, TerraNort and the Riku Replica? I know that Riku fought and killed the Riku Replica in Chain of Memories, but in Dream Drop Distance
    when you entered Monstro while playing as Riku, you go off and look for Pinocchio and he is seen with somebody in an Organization XIII coat. When Riku asks who the person in the hood was, he takes down his hood and it's Riku from Kingdom Hearts 1.

    So do you guys think there is a possibility that the replica could be apart of the 13 darknesses? It would be interesting to see him and (POSSIBLY) Vanitas together in my opinion.

    Now, if this is the case there are all of the 13 darknesses.
    Ideas?
     
  2. Meilin Lee RPG (Red Panda Girl)

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    I'm pretty sure Luxord will return, because he survived long enough in KH2 (even longer than Xigbar), so maybe he'll be seen as worthy to join the new Organization. Marluxia, well, lets not forget he tried to overthrow Xemnas, so he can't be trusted to join. Same for Larxene. Demyx, well... is a wuss, and not Xehanort material. I always wondered if the Riku from Monstro was in fact the Replica. If it was, it may offer clues on how to bring back Xion since she is a replica like Repliku. I'm pretty sure Terranort will join as well. Not too sure about Vanitas though (don't get me wrong, I'll be excited if he came back, but there is the whole deal with Ventus, so I'm not sure how it would work with him). Also, I would like a few new characters to be part of the new Organization as well.
     
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    I feel like they'll be introducing new characters for Org. XIII. I also really don't feel entirely comfortable with characters Demyx and Luxord joining because they were friends with Roxas, or at least it seems that was considering their actions in Days and their words in II. As for Vanitas, For some reason I can see this scene where sora and him are being moody about their positions as having to basically be someone else, and never really being their own person. But I would still totally be okay with him being one of the XIII. Marluxia and Larxene, as stated by Roxam, cannot be trusted. So I'm thinking they may become a strange kinda good guy. I have no real opinion or thought on Repliku.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the ones we have yet to see will be new characters.
    If not new characters, than the people that the remaining Org members were before they became nobodies, which would still be new characters in a way. (though I doubt that will happen)

    It's really too soon to say, we know pretty much nothing about the new Org aside from why it exists.
     
  5. Vagineer Hollow Bastion Committee

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    I'm pretty sure Riku Replica and Vantas may be one of the 13 darknesses. I also hope that there will be new characters for the remaining 5
     
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    Actually I don't think that was Riku Replica in Monstro of 3D. I'm pretty sure it was just him being reminded of his dark past through the dream world. I think the ones yet to be revealed will include Riku Replica (via time travel), possibly another Sora (time travel), Vanitas and some new characters. I don't think the four Org. members we didn't see in 3D are a part of it. Especially Larxene and Marluxia after they betrayed the original Org.
     
  7. CloudStrife2k9 Twilight Town Denizen

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    Ahh, I hope Repliku comes back for the next game. Seeing him and Vanitas together would be facking awesome. Also, the Soul Eater is pretty boss.

    And, well. Ya never know. I mean Marluxia could be a good asset to Xehanort, even though he did try to take over the Organization. Maybe with a little bit more watch over him, he could be trusted. I mean after all, he was over at Castle Oblivion running it by himself. Xemnas wasn't anywhere near him to watch over him.

    I DO think that seeing Marluxia and Larxene in the newest Organization is highly unlikely, but like a said above, maybe with some watch over him/them, they could be valuable assets to the new Organization.

    Who knows, maybe Xehanort will give them a second chance and then they still betray them again and it messes up their plans, inadvertently helping Sora and all them. In my opinion, it would be interesting to see him back in the Organization again. Especially now that Axel is with Sora. Axel and Marluxia did have beef back at Castle Oblivion.

    Also, Luxord might have a chance to return. Nomura did say that Luxord was his favorite member. Luxord does also control time.. and that has become a big factor in Kingdom Hearts as of late.
     
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    Except for the obvious ones, I guess we just have to wait and see who the other 13 Darknesses are in KH3.

    and yes I just have no idea who the rest of the new Organization are :p
     
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    Replica Riku and Vanitas double battle possible? thatd b pretty sweet imo :). i was wondering is maybe Replica Riku would be one because of what Riku said in DDD inside monstro where he says he gave into darkness and the darkness consumed him, i know that he did, and that anyone who plays the games knows that, but the fact he comes face to face with his replica or maybe xeranort playing games with him, it made me think is Riku replica would be a darkness.
    And for maybe a fun one, what about the Shadow that Sora turned into in KH? maybe he would return as a special shadow or somehting?
     
  10. RifleRiku Traverse Town Homebody

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    We all know Luxord is going to be the final boss and that he's the true mastermind and not Xehanort.
     
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    I really don't think the replica will be part of the new organization, but I'm pretty sure Vanitas is, as well as Terranort (kinda inevitable when you think about it, seeing that he was the first of the 13 darknesses)
     
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    Okay, let's see: Who do we know we've got?

    1. Master Xehanort
    2. Xemnas
    3. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness
    4. Braig
    5. Isa
    6. Young Xehanort

    From there, we've got to do some thinking. The actual goal of Organization XIII was gather vessels for Master Xehanort, right? So let's look at those members. When Lea woke up in Radiant Garden, we saw him with Ienzo, Aeleus, Dilan, and Even, so I think we can safely presume that they aren't part of Xehanort's Organization (especially not Lea, who has a Keyblade now and may be one of the Seven Lights). The remaining members were Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, and Roxas. Roxas, obviously, is out because he is once again part of Sora. Flood brings up a good point, in that Luxord and Demyx were fond of Roxas and not nearly as diabolical as some of their allies, so I'm not sure that they would fight Sora—I mean, maybe if Xehanort deceived them into thinking that beating Sora would bring Roxas back, but it's hard to see either of them as a Darkness. Luxord is Nomura's favorite Organization member, though, so I'm sure we'll see him somewhere. 10 also brings up a good point with Marluxia and Larxene, with their ambitions of taking over the Organization. However, I would like to point out that Saix was also plotting to overthrow the Organization, with Axel's help. I could see them both as Darknesses (Larxene less so; that's just scary to think about).

    But still, even if all four other Organization members were Darknesses, that would still leave three slots open. Who else is there? One popular prediction is Terra-Xehanort, whose position, I feel, is slightly compromised. When Terra-Xehanort experimented with the Heart and eventually succumbed himself, he was split into a Heartless—Ansem SoD, his heart—and a Nobody—Xemnas, his body. Both of these beings are already part of the Thirteen Darknesses. So...what happened to Terra-Xehanort? Nobody really knows???

    One more popular candidate is Riku Replica. I'd thought he died in Chain of Memories after a final encounter with Riku, but then he showed up inside Monstro in Dream Drop Distance? Maybe? I guess he did come back in the manga after the events of Chain of Memories, but isn't that non-canon? I guess that he could have reason to join the Thirteen Darknesses in a last-ditch effort to prove that he's better than Riku, but he seemed rather at peace with himself at his demise in Chain of Memories. I don't know.

    One last candidate that I've seen mentioned is Vanitas, whose position is just as, if not more dubious than the others'. At the end of Birth by Sleep, he re-merged with Ventus's heart, and was then defeated there, and then Ventus took shelter in Sora's heart. Even if the Thirteen Darknesses had the means to bring Vanitas back out of Ventus, they'd still have to find him first. When Aqua hid him, it was explicitly stated that she was the only one who could safely navigate Castle Oblivion and even find him in the first place. So first, the Darknesses would have to find Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, convince her to help them, take Ventus, wake him up, and then re-extract Vanitas. Of course, they probably don't even need Aqua's actual cooperation; they could just follow her once she's out of the Realm of Darkness or something and then take Ventus by force. But there are just too many variables, I think, for Vanitas to be one of the Darknesses.

    So, who do I think are the other six Darknesses?

    I have absolutely no idea.
     
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    Actually, It's Xigbar and Saix. Braig and Isa are still currently missing. The reason why Lea called Saix "Isa" is because Saix is Isa's Nobody. As what I said earlier (I think... XD) I think that the Riku Replica and Vanitas will be a few of the 13 Darkness. I also think that Luxord might be one of the 13 darkness, since besides Saix and Xigbar, Luxord was the only loyal member of Organization XIII. Demyx? I don't really see it. He's a wimp. XD Larxene and Marluxia? Probrably not. Since they were plotting to overthrow Xemnas from Organization XIII. Remember that Young Xehanort has the power of time travel, so it's possible for him to take Riku Replica to the current time period before the Riku Replica encounters the original Riku for the last time. Same goes for Luxord and Vanitas. As for the rest... I have no idea. Xion maybe? when she was programmed by Xemnas to absorb Roxas? Or maybe there will be new characters that are introduced.
     
  14. CloudStrife2k9 Twilight Town Denizen

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    About the Riku-Replica being at peace with himself at the end of Chain of Memories.. you really never know. I feel he would jump at the chance of anything as long as it gave him a shot at vengeance at Riku, to show that he's better than him. It's kind of iffy to say if he will be in the next game, but with Square, you never really know.

    And with Vanitas situation, I was always kind of confused with Ansem the Wise. Why are his eyes golden? Usually if your eyes are golden in Kingdom Hearts that means you're part Xehanort, right? He IS in The Realm of Darkness and he has seen and talked to Aqua. What if he is with the Organization? He could try to "help" Aqua find and save Ven, and then at the right moment, he can go and betray Aqua and take Ven back to Xehanort and such. I know it might not make complete sense, because in KH2 he was trying to get revenge on the Organization. But, I don't know. Just speculation. It would be interesting in my opinion. (x

    ANDANDAND, if he did that, maybe he could try the same thing with Sora/Roxas, and extract Roxas from Sora, thinking Roxas will join them, but then Roxas fights back to join with Sora and the other lights? :'D lmfao. I know the chances of that are one in a billion, but I just want something like that to happen. I want to play as Roxas :c


    Nah, they ARE Braig and Isa.
     
  15. Light-Rune Maven Seer

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    If you notice, Ansem the wise ALWAYS has golden eyes, even before the realm of darkness. it's rather confusing for me but I think it means he is special in some unforeseen way. It's definitely worth speculating, but I don't think it means he's evil.....

    But of course this is a Square game.... so who knows....
     
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    I thought the golden eyes only meant that the person had been heavily exposed to darkness? Or maybe it's just a natural eye color in the KH multiverse that Master Xehanort just happened to have, which he passed on to Terra, Xemnas, Ansem SoD, and Vanitas? :s
     
  17. Meilin Lee RPG (Red Panda Girl)

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    I was watching the BBS secret ending recently, and I noticed his eyes aren't golden. They're more... orange-ish.[DOUBLEPOST=1365977530][/DOUBLEPOST]
    This. They probably just went with the names Xigbar and Saix to signify their allegiance to the new Organization. But the fact is that they are no longer nobodies.
     
  18. RifleRiku Traverse Town Homebody

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    Well
    Well, things like Vanitas being gone don't really matter anymore since the whole time travel thing.....So I guess it's fair to say he could be along with some of the others mentioned...
     
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    Oh, yeah I actually just watched it too. They are orange. Damn :c

    And yeah, exactly.

    Nah, I think it's just the Xehanort thing because a lot of members of Organization XIII had different color eyes. Also, if that was the case, Riku's eyes would be golden as well. :b
     
  20. RifleRiku Traverse Town Homebody

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    Well they were golden when he looked like Ansem (The heartless of course).